synchrosoft YES or NO

[chagzuki]

If all companies start using it isn't it bound to get cracked? I'm not a programmer so I have no idea what makes it so secure.

[Lotuzia]

Hope this helps

Only if you keep in mind, that your answers were regarding a hardware key (20Eurp extra) and not the software key.

You need the internet one way or another, to connect with the internet base from Synchrosoft - happened for me at least with Halion 3. Then again, you can install synchrosoft on an internet PC and move the key over to your studio PC. Again, if we talk about the hardware key here.

True Compyfox,

You(re right,I specified it was for dongled products.

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To Mumpcake : Remember me not willing to help you next time you'll claim for information (Or did you really claim for that ..... ). Also next time specify that your question is only about the non dongled syncrosoft protection. Afaics, a lot of people did mentioned the dongle in this thread, so that your "we are talking of the Sel" seems to me irrelevant . So that I'll avoid loosing my free time, wich like yours is "so valuable".., to try to explain you a system that you seem to fight and dislike anyway.

LtZ

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Using this analogy, it is up to the dealer to protect ...yada yada ya...blah...blah..blah.

Hasn't this horse been beaten sufficiently over ther years?

No?

Riders, take your mounts!

Trouble is we're dealing with two pairs-a-dimes here and falling off where logic flounders in trying to make a comparison of them, i.e. physical things vs data/digits. I trust you can fill in the rest without my belaboring the point.

[Compyfox]

The industry should be attacking the websites which enable illegal file sharing; shutting down PirateBay and TorrentSpy...

Torrentspy shut itself down about a week ago or so.

[Optomadic]

I just dont understand how some companies put Syncro on demos. Its baffling to me ..

[luxth]

Once it doesnt affect the downloadable nature of the plugs (I HATE physically shipped stuff) Synchrosoft is ok here, i never had any problem with plugs that use this system and installation is a charm.

I found much more a mess the ilock thing.

Luca

Would you buy a beautiful car with a key that weights 10Kg, just because the vendor says "with this system it's much more difficult that the car is stolen from our shops"?

I would at least think twice or thrice

- Mario

I'm not sure I agree. Despite the fact that I hate messin up with my PC today i consider Syncrosoft a pretty lite and easy protection method installing/wise. So i dont consider it a 10Kg key at all. I hated way more some call/response methods and i'm among those that have been frauded by superwave, even if not much of a loss.

Of course thats just my PC based experience.

[Compyfox]

I just dont understand how some companies put Syncro on demos. Its baffling to me ..

Peter said that they didn't use Synchrosoft on the demos yet. But I agree, didn't get that one with iLok either.

[jamester]

Using this analogy, it is up to the dealer to protect ...yada yada ya...blah...blah..blah.

Hasn't this horse been beaten sufficiently over ther years?

No?

Riders, take your mounts!

Trouble is we're dealing with two pairs-a-dimes here and falling off where logic flounders in trying to make a comparison of them, i.e. physical things vs data/digits. I trust you can fill in the rest without my belaboring the point.

You can't complain about beating a horse to death when you yourself brought said horse into the conversation. And thanks for the snide "blah blah blahs" even though I responded to your point with courtesy and respect.

FTR, I agree about the "theft" paradigm; illegal software sharing is copyright infringement, not stealing as it relates to a physical object. Still doesn't justify the legit purchaser being sadled with intrusive copy protection IMO.

[FEV]

We are not talking about the dongle. We are talking about the soft-eLicenser (SeL). Most of your responses are therefore irrelevant.

No it's not. At least not entirely, as (like it was said earlier) you've got a choice to use usb dongle if you want.

1/ Worse with companies with c/r system . What if Microsoft goes under ?

This is a useless answer on a few levels. First of all, it does not answer my question as to what would happen if LP and/or SS were to go under. Second, it is blatantly wrong. NI uses C/R and claims to guarantee that if they go under they will release a public key. Third, if Microsoft goes under anytime soon, we will have bigger problems than being unable to authorize systems, so it's irrelevant.
What would have been a useful answer is if someone from LP answered that they had a key escrow program or knew that SS had a policy of handling registrations for expired companies.

Syncrosoft shutdown won't change the fact, that we would still have all the source codes and can do whatever we want with them (and that includes removing/changing protection scheme). LinPlug goes under ? That's an easy case... it's not possible But seriously... When activating bought software, you're connecting with Syncrosoft license server (not LinPlug)...
I don't think we need to interfere in that process in any way.

Judge by yourself how likely it is that:
a) Syncrosoft shuts their offices
b) LinPlug goes under
c) you'll still be using operating system, that will support this software (in case you'll want to use RMV in year 2020)
d) you'll still want to use it (again in case we're in 2020)

All of these point have to be fulfiled to leave you completely screwed.

2/ Not noticeable on my Pcs

That's not what I asked. Maybe you might be running a plug at 8% CPU on your system, but you have no way of knowing if it could be running better without the CP. I specifically asked for replicable data.

I can't provide any details about syncrosoft internals and their hit on other plugin elements. I haven't seen even the slightest bit of syncrosoft sdk - they have very restrictive NDA, which disallows Peter to reveal any data regarding their protection scheme "internals" (even the rest of the LinPlug crew doesn't have access to those informations). As for the measuring final performance hit - well, we'll probably see when the implementation of syncrosoft will be 100% finished.


cheers,
Bart

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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You can't complain about beating a horse to death when you yourself brought said horse into the conversation. And thanks for the snide "blah blah blahs" even though I responded to your point with courtesy and respect.

FTR, I agree about the "theft" paradigm; illegal software sharing is copyright infringement, not stealing as it relates to a physical object. Still doesn't justify the legit purchaser being sadled with intrusive copy protection IMO.

Actually, you brought the horse to the party, with your 10kg car key analogy. Then when I responded in trying to realign the idea with what software devs are actually experiencing you responded with the same old tired diatribe, comparing physical objects to digital media.

I really didn't mean to offend you by replacing your entire post with blah blah blah, I was just trying to illustrate how 'blah' the whole debate has become and really didn't see the need to requote the whole tired argument.

Anyway, this entire thread is useless, like it's really up for a vote. If anything, it can hopeful serve to address any ignorance or fear about how the Syncrosoft protection works.

Devs have every right to do anything in their power they deem effective in curbing loss and retaining legitimate customers. Syncrosoft is the best running solution out there ATM. In a perfect world I'm sure they'd love everyone being honest, however the "trust your honest customers" argument doesn't hold water in the present world since it's not the 'honest' people causing the problems. Hence we (the honest) saddle up our dead horses and ride the dongle. ye-haw!

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[DHR53]

Hmmm... I have two of em. Never had a problem.

[FEV]

This is what intrusive copy protection does; ultimately, it treats the honest customer like a criminal while the criminals themselves have no such restrictions.

Well, I wouldn't say it's treating you as criminals. It's a certain process, thats happening in all areas of our life. When you want a loan from a bank you get "checked". When paying taxes you are "checked". When registering for kvr account, guess what you're "checked" too (or more specifically your email). Do you think, that all such "organizations" treat you as a cheater by default? (well, ok... I agree that it may be the case with the tax offices )


cheers,
Bart

[Sequent]

My understanding is that stuff gets cracked anyway, dongle or no dongle. Having a dongle or a key or whatever is just more of a challenge for the crackers. E.g, more fun in a way.

I don't know what the solution is or what the solution will wind up being in the long run. I'm kind of suspecting some sort of online verification whenever the software is started up. Who knows.

I have plenty of dongles here. Read: PLENTY. Both synchrosoft and ilok. I even used to have the old bulky parallel port ones from Steinberg. I think there might even be a couple still hooked up back there.

synchrosoft... dongle... ilok... it's all basically the same thing, imo.

I really don't mind these things as long as they don't interfere with me being able to work. As long as they are transparent to the user. I would, for example, much rather plug in the usb device and forget about it than maybe get called to insert the original install cd then have to go digging for it.

So, it can be a pain if you have to worry about losing the protection device, etc. I guess you can get the insurance for those. And yeah, I would rather not have to worry about any of that. But I can certainly understand why a developer would want to look into it. Assuming if it makes any difference (read the beginning of my post).

Really... I wish there was some sort of dongle, usb protection device that us artists could use to keep people from stealing our music, lol. Sometimes it seems that as software users, and then on the tail end as content producers, we are perpetually at the bottom of the respect food chain. I mean, how do you feel if someone steals your music... or if they get offended if you ask them to give you even say .99 for a song?

Well, that's just my opinion and my take on it. There are a lot of thoughts on this thread and it's interesting to see where everyone is coming from.