KVR Audio

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:02 pm

androidlove wrote:
dszep wrote:Whether or not having every shmo making music is a good thing, is another topic.
really, that's debatable? would you mind starting a thread inquiring about this? i can't imagine that getting the tools for expression into everyone's hands a bad thing

hmmm ... so you want to tell me it's a desired thing to have to dig through millions of crap productions flooding the market, just to find a bareley good one?to me at least thatone is a considerable point ...
you know, there was a time when art was strongly connected with skills ...
and by the fact everyone can do it now, regardless if he's skilled whatsoever, having actually learned by experience, the output gets kinda washed out drastically ...
i'm not bashing, just saying that the coin always has 2 sides ...

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:09 pm

brok landers wrote:
androidlove wrote:
dszep wrote:Whether or not having every shmo making music is a good thing, is another topic.
really, that's debatable? would you mind starting a thread inquiring about this? i can't imagine that getting the tools for expression into everyone's hands a bad thing
hmmm ... so you want to tell me it's a desired thing to have to dig through millions of crap productions flooding the market, just to find a bareley good one?to me at least thatone is a considerable point ...
you know, there was a time when art was strongly connected with skills ...
and by the fact everyone can do it now, regardless if he's skilled whatsoever, having actually learned by experience, the output gets kinda washed out drastically ...
i'm not bashing, just saying that the coin always has 2 sides ...

There has always been tons of horrible music from talentless people, even when record companies controlled who recorded it. The big difference isn't in music coming from artists with no skill...it's that now they have neither skill nor MONEY.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:12 pm

ok, i started a thread
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3059638

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:13 pm

brok landers wrote:
androidlove wrote:
dszep wrote:Whether or not having every shmo making music is a good thing, is another topic.
really, that's debatable? would you mind starting a thread inquiring about this? i can't imagine that getting the tools for expression into everyone's hands a bad thing
hmmm ... so you want to tell me it's a desired thing to have to dig through millions of crap productions flooding the market, just to find a bareley good one?to me at least thatone is a considerable point ...
you know, there was a time when art was strongly connected with skills ...
and by the fact everyone can do it now, regardless if he's skilled whatsoever, having actually learned by experience, the output gets kinda washed out drastically ...
i'm not bashing, just saying that the coin always has 2 sides ...

shit filters itself out. or it can, at least.

the problem with selective availability was that availability was more closely related to wealth, which is a strange criterion for expression.

m-ac · Post by **m-ac** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:24 pm

Woah, weve gone way off topic here right from page 1!

This wasnt meant as a software v's hardware debate or a whats good about software thread. It was to discuss in what categories, reverb for example, whether software has overtook hardware yet.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:43 pm

Cables are much better in software than hardware

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:54 pm

Cordelia wrote:
Hink wrote:the wife can't see more software

when she does notice I have my standbys

I'm beta testing this

can you believe this is free?

it's a demo

it came on another disk and I just found it

and of course the classic that I think Fred Flintstone invented

it was such a good deal I couldn't afford not to get it

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:17 pm

"and of course the classic that I think Fred Flintstone invented

it was such a good deal I couldn't afford not to get it"

The ladies know this one;

"But it was on sale, I SAVED money!"

BFunKu · Post by **BFunKu** » Thu May 08, 2008 6:24 am

jplanet wrote:Cost effectiveness, sampling capacity and expandability.

Compare a $3000 Motif or Triton with a $1000 laptop loaded up with Forte Ensemble. The workstations give you 128MB samples...with up to THREE whole velocity switches! With a laptop, you get Ivory with 7 velocity levels, and 4GB samples...

Try to install a B3 modeller on your Fantom...or even a decent virtual analog...it takes a $3500 Kurzweil before you even begin to see those features.

Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:20 am

BFunKu wrote:
Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.

ehh .... care to be more precise? i'd be interrested!

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:50 am

brok landers wrote:
BFunKu wrote:
Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.
ehh .... care to be more precise? i'd be interrested!

Me too. I'd like to have all perfect preset copies from Roland, Yamaha and Korg for just $30.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:56 am

Radek wrote:
brok landers wrote:
BFunKu wrote:
Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.
ehh .... care to be more precise? i'd be interrested!
Me too. I'd like to have all perfect preset copies from Roland, Yamaha and Korg for just $30.

no, i don't want the presets sampled, i'd like to have the raw pcm data only ...

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Thu May 08, 2008 12:35 pm

brok landers wrote:
Radek wrote:
brok landers wrote:
BFunKu wrote:
Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.
ehh .... care to be more precise? i'd be interrested!
Me too. I'd like to have all perfect preset copies from Roland, Yamaha and Korg for just $30.
no, i don't want the presets sampled, i'd like to have the raw pcm data only ...

Sampled presets wouldn't be as good real synths obviously. Just raw waveforms wouldn't make originals either.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu May 08, 2008 12:47 pm

BFunKu wrote:Why even buy a Motif or Triton when you can just Buy all their Factory PCM Samples as a SF2 File for like $30 from a Good Old Chinese Friend down by the river.

Because it's not about the sampled PCM data, it's about the effects used and the programming behind the sound that makes it a Motif or a Triton. Was just playing with a Roland XV-5050 the other day, for example, with all the effects turned off. It was kind of bland. Turned the effects back on, and it was 'wow!'

I'm sure Brok with the right sampler could make some beautiful presets out of them, but the raw sounds are just that, raw sounds. Not to mention, those waveforms are copyrighted material anyway.

Devon

Mac of BIOnighT · Post by **Mac of BIOnighT** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:51 pm

DevonB wrote: Was just playing with a Roland XV-5050 the other day, for example, with all the effects turned off. It was kind of bland. Turned the effects back on, and it was 'wow!' Devon

As JMJarre pointed out once, most keyboards nowadays sound good, but when you listen to the raw sound, the quality is that of an old Casio toy keyboard...

Where has software actually improved on hardware?