KVR Audio

AlainJ UVI · Post by **AlainJ UVI** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:03 pm

1-2-Many wrote:
sinkmusic wrote:There is one thing i don't get : is this thing really free, or does it need a dongle ?
A dongle is not free, right ?
I can't do anything with it if i don't have a dongle, right ?
THanks for the info !
Well, they're calling it free, and they're calling it non-copy protected.
But it does load PACE drivers on your system, I guess for handling the protected library sets that you may purchase (which do require a dongle - Ilock).

As far as I care - By forcing you to load PACE on your system it IS copy protected, and therefore it is not FREE.

Why not load the damned PACE driver with the protected libraries instead, and make this really Free - Free from PACE for those who avoid it like the plague?

A "FREE" software is a software that you don't have to pay to use it and that's exactly what the UVI Workstation do. I encourage you to find FREE softwares having all the UVI Workstation features... (unlimited parts, unlimited FX by part, aux and master, loading rex, wav, apple loops, keyswitching, MIDI and Audio drag'n drop, working Mac/PC, VST/RTAS/AU/MAS and Stand Alone...)... for FREE!

YOU DON'T NEED A DONGLE to use the UVI WORKSTATION software.

You will need a dongle ONLY if you use protected soundbanks (UVI Soundcards or Soundbank from the UVI Soundsource website). Unprotected soundbanks and any audio file (rex, wav, apple loops... ) do not need any dongle.

We don't have the feeling to be dishonnest.

Alain Etchart
UVI Team Captain

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:18 pm

Bass108 wrote:Now for Logic 8, not sure about other DAWS, when I go to automation mode, I can usually see all of the parameters for every plugin and the track settings (volume, pan). PlugsoundPro and the UVI Workstation are some of the only plugins that I know of that don't come up at all. I have to arbitrarily assign parameters to random midi controllers to get the job done and its easy to forget what is what and is not as intuitive. Is this something maybe an oversight and easily fixable?

Regarding automation, unfortunately, you can't have in most host dynamic automation list and given that you can have an undefined number of parts, you can't list at the plugin launching the number of automation.
Still, We assign by default for each part the MIDI CC 7, 10 and 11 for pan, volume and expression.(MIDI Standard CC), so you should have control on those very easily in most host.
So there is no quick fix regarding this issue.

Bass108 wrote: And the ability to grab mute or solo in the mixer and drag down to instantiate for multiple voices would be nice. Lastly, this might just be on me on my laptop but when I was playing with the filter it didn't exactly seem that responsive, it would take a bit of time to catch up, and sometimes a bit unresponsive.

I know you guys are busy with all kinds of bugs, but these couple of fixes would really be beneficial. Thanks.

~jay

Regarding Mute/Solo, I'm not a huge fan of the dragging behaviour as it may lead to weird results if you're not used to this kind of behaviour, which is afaik no very common. Feel free to give example where it's used.
Regarding responsivness, I think it depends on your host latency.
We apply a lowpass filter on incomming MIDI CC, but it's more to avoid zipper noise and it should still let you have a very quick modification rate.

Agitator · Post by **Agitator** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:19 pm

i think this way of copy protection is ok, because if i want to use the UVI-W, i also want to use/buy additional soundsets. i don't have iLok at the moment, but i will get it soon and i think it is a good, safe and professional way of copy protection and many big devs, like Waves or Nomad Factory, use it!

Cordelia · Post by **Cordelia** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Agitator wrote:i think this way of copy protection is ok, because if i want to use the UVI-W, i also want to use/buy additional soundsets. i don't have iLok at the moment, but i will get it soon and i think it is a good, safe and professional way of copy protection and many big devs, like Waves or Nomad Factory, use it!

Go for it. Have fun. If the Big Devs use it, then it must be good.

C-note · Post by **C-note** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:37 pm

I don't mind the dongles - have both Syncrosoft and Ilock and no problems with either on Vista 32/Quadcore's. Don't really understand the complaints about copy protection either.

However I still can't (after latest update) get the UVI player to put out sound in any host. It does load now without blowing up but no sound!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:42 pm

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otristan · Post by **otristan** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:44 pm

Gothboy wrote:UVI workstation also crashes MuLab from MuTools when I try to run the scanner on it. I get this: "UVIWorkstationVST.dll seems to cause a problem during plug scan. It will be ignored during the next scan." Just thought I'd add it to the crash list. This is on my PC...haven't tested it yet on my Mac until I understand what this pace thing is about. What is this PACE thing anyway and should I be concerned? Is it a Pro Tools Issue? I'm running 7.3 on my Mac.

Regarding the crash, are you using a recent downloaded version ?
We have an issue on VST PC version which leaded to automatic crash.
Please try downloading the latest version.

Regarding PACE, this is a copy protection system used by a lot of company to avoid the cracking of their software.
In our case, it's used to protect soundbanks.
If I remember correctly, digidesign always install it so it won't change anything for you.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:48 pm

C-note wrote:I don't mind the dongles - have both Syncrosoft and Ilock and no problems with either on Vista 32/Quadcore's. Don't really understand the complaints about copy protection either.

However I still can't (after latest update) get the UVI player to put out sound in any host. It does load now without blowing up but no sound!

If you double click on a part(on the empty label), a browser should open.
In this browser, select the UVI Tutorial soundbank on the left, then double click a preset on the right in one of the subfolder.
Now you should be able to play on your MIDI keyboard and hear soem sound.
As opposed to most synth, UVWorkstation do not produce any sound if you don't load any presets.

HTH

Agitator · Post by **Agitator** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:50 pm

Cordelia wrote:
Agitator wrote:i think this way of copy protection is ok, because if i want to use the UVI-W, i also want to use/buy additional soundsets. i don't have iLok at the moment, but i will get it soon and i think it is a good, safe and professional way of copy protection and many big devs, like Waves or Nomad Factory, use it!
Go for it. Have fun. If the Big Devs use it, then it must be good.

this is not what i mean, but if i don't want pace on my computer, i don't install software which use it!

nobody forces the users to download, install und use UVI-W!

right or wrong?

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:50 pm

I'd LOVE to try this, but I don't really want to let any Pace stuff near my system (even just the software)

Is there a syncrosoft option? I'm aware it requires extra licensing and code effort etc.etc.etc., but ...

Mind if I ask why you went with Pace?

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:52 pm

Agitator wrote:
Cordelia wrote:
Agitator wrote:i think this way of copy protection is ok, because if i want to use the UVI-W, i also want to use/buy additional soundsets. i don't have iLok at the moment, but i will get it soon and i think it is a good, safe and professional way of copy protection and many big devs, like Waves or Nomad Factory, use it!
Go for it. Have fun. If the Big Devs use it, then it must be good.
this is not what i mean, but if i don't want pace on my computer, i don't install software which us it!

nobody forces the users to download, install und use UVI-W!

right or wrong?

Right, but it is prone to cause problems, and it is hindering me from trying out UVI-W which seems like an absolutely wonderful piece of software.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:58 pm

Chris Walton wrote:I'd LOVE to try this, but I don't really want to let any Pace stuff near my system (even just the software)

Is there a syncrosoft option? I'm aware it requires extra licensing and code effort etc.etc.etc., but ...

Mind if I ask why you went with Pace?

Regarding Syncrosoft versus PACE, I'm not sure if syncrosoft allows content protection which we use for soundbank protection.
Anyway, PACE driver are now very stable afaik so I don't see any reason to move to syncrosoft.
Moreover, very big guys like Digidesign use it now so I think they wouldn't use it if it wasn't stable.

An URL was given to uninstall PACE driver, so if you're not convinced, feel free to use it.

Thanks for your interrest in UVIWorkstation.

Chris Walton · Post by **Chris Walton** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:13 pm

otristan wrote:Regarding Syncrosoft versus PACE, I'm not sure if syncrosoft allows content protection which we use for soundbank protection.
Anyway, PACE driver are now very stable afaik so I don't see any reason to move to syncrosoft.
Moreover, very big guys like Digidesign use it now so I think they wouldn't use it if it wasn't stable.

Having done some development with RTAS (which, in my case, necessitated the use of an iLok as well) a mere 9 months ago with then-recent drivers ...

... two out of three of the dev boxes started with some major problems (things like Windows being unable to spawn new processes

). One of those two was a completely fresh windows install. The third one worked, though some odd behavior did surface occasionally with the explorer locking random files forever.

Maybe it's the development tools that interfere with the PACE stuff, but obviously you're developing with them too, ...

I don't know. There's a specific set of software/hardware that seem to really bother the iLok stuff, and considering the amount of similarity in at least the software installed on both my home computer and the development machine(s), I'm somewhat afraid

I'll ask somebody in-the-know about whether syncrosoft can protect data as well (now I'm curious myself).

otristan wrote:An URL was given to uninstall PACE driver, so if you're not convinced, feel free to use it.

Thanks for your interrest in UVIWorkstation.

I think I'll test it anyway (seems too good to pass up!). I hope the installer/uninstaller combination doesn't screw something up...

I'm excited.

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:19 pm

AlainJ UVI wrote:
1-2-Many wrote:Well, they're calling it free, and they're calling it non-copy protected.
But it does load PACE drivers on your system, I guess for handling the protected library sets that you may purchase (which do require a dongle - Ilock).

As far as I care - By forcing you to load PACE on your system it IS copy protected, and therefore it is not FREE.

Why not load the damned PACE driver with the protected libraries instead, and make this really Free - Free from PACE for those who avoid it like the plague?
A "FREE" software is a software that you don't have to pay to use it and that's exactly what the UVI Workstation do. I encourage you to find FREE softwares having all the UVI Workstation features... (unlimited parts, unlimited FX by part, aux and master, loading rex, wav, apple loops, keyswitching, MIDI and Audio drag'n drop, working Mac/PC, VST/RTAS/AU/MAS and Stand Alone...)... for FREE!

YOU DON'T NEED A DONGLE to use the UVI WORKSTATION software.

You will need a dongle ONLY if you use protected soundbanks (UVI Soundcards or Soundbank from the UVI Soundsource website). Unprotected soundbanks and any audio file (rex, wav, apple loops... ) do not need any dongle.

We don't have the feeling to be dishonnest.

Alain Etchart
UVI Team Captain

Whoa there! I said nothing about honesty - I think it's all a matter of perspectives.

From mine, this is not an entirely 'free' thing because there's a hitch (PACE Drivers). And too if you add the internet snoop thing (RSS feed). There are other ways of "paying" that don't involve $$$.

From yours, it's free, doesn't have 'copy protection', and is a great gift. Which is a valid perspective too; I'm sure there are many who share it.

I just like my gifts without strings attached

Carry on.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:19 pm

Chris Walton wrote: Having done some development with RTAS (which, in my case, necessitated the use of an iLok as well) a mere 9 months ago with then-recent drivers ...

... two out of three of the dev boxes started with some major problems (things like Windows being unable to spawn new processes ). One of those two was a completely fresh windows install. The third one worked, though some odd behavior did surface occasionally with the explorer locking random files forever.

Maybe it's the development tools that interfere with the PACE stuff, but obviously you're developing with them too, ...

I don't know. There's a specific set of software/hardware that seem to really bother the iLok stuff, and considering the amount of similarity in at least the software installed on both my home computer and the development machine(s), I'm somewhat afraid

Indeed.
Never had such issue with it.
Maybe digidesign audio drivers

Chris Walton wrote: I'll ask somebody in-the-know about whether syncrosoft can protect data as well (now I'm curious myself).

otristan wrote:An URL was given to uninstall PACE driver, so if you're not convinced, feel free to use it.

Thanks for your interrest in UVIWorkstation.
I think I'll test it anyway (seems too good to pass up!). I hope the installer/uninstaller combination doesn't screw something up...

I'm excited.

Let us know how it goes.

Thanks,

(time to sleep now)

UVI Workstation (release)