KVR Audio

trancekid · Post by **trancekid** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:55 pm

i just found this and i'm playing around with it in logic 8.0.2, os 10.5.3 on a mac pro.

the plugsound pro sounds seem to load fine and with this engine i can play even complex sounds at low buffer settings like 32 in logic. that was always a problem for me with psp.

however, now i get crackles & pops when trying to add one of the convolution reverbs. all other effects seem to be fine at low buffer settings.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:40 pm

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marce · Post by **marce** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:30 pm

"This server dont support resume downloads"

im having some work to download the sound pack because this issue.

marce · Post by **marce** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:41 pm

marce wrote:"This server dont support resume downloads"

im having some work to download the sound pack because this issue.

now im redirected to google france in the soundpack link.

Gothboy · Post by **Gothboy** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:42 pm

otristan wrote:
Gothboy wrote:[quote="otristan]Regarding the crash, are you using a recent downloaded version?
I downloaded the UVI Workstation beta the day before yesterday. Has it been updated since?

otristan wrote:It has been updated Tuedsay the 19th around 6PM(GMT+1).
You can download it back just to be sure.
Thanks,

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I just downloaded UVI @ 4:00 Sunday EST after uninstalling the initial download I had on my PC. After installing the extra soundpack demo and then getting the standalone to work I tried it in MuLab. I CAN get the scan to work on the plug but then it crashes MuLab upon instantiation. The GUI comes up for a second and then the crash. So that's where we are with MuLab. See if you can replicate that and report back. I'll be happy to work on it here. I like this instrument! Enough naysaying! We'll get this thing working!

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:45 pm

Latest beta works in FL 8+. Looks like I can also play the older soundpacks.
Thank you.

soproductive · Post by **soproductive** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:33 am

My FL8 shuts down without an error message when I load up the UviWorkstation as VST!

I'd love to
- get more Sounds for it. Maybe some Pizzicato and Spiccato Strings, Brasses, Guitars and Synths instead of Loops
- use the VST in FL Studio 8
- be able to save my own Patches

by the way I love the look of the VST! It's beautiful!
I love it!

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:50 am

trancekid wrote:i just found this and i'm playing around with it in logic 8.0.2, os 10.5.3 on a mac pro.

the plugsound pro sounds seem to load fine and with this engine i can play even complex sounds at low buffer settings like 32 in logic. that was always a problem for me with psp.

however, now i get crackles & pops when trying to add one of the convolution reverbs. all other effects seem to be fine at low buffer settings.

Well convolution with a very small buffer size is very harsh on the CPU.
We're working on reducing its CPU consumption, but don't hold your breath.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:54 am

Sascha Franck wrote: For those of us using it as a live workstation or so, this is certainly making a lot of sense to me.
In other words: What should be changed when setting the octave range should happen on the MIDI in side of things, rather than changing the root note while the keyrange would stay the same.

I think you've missed one of my post.
* Midi shift which only transposes on the MIDI keyboard without changing the sound, this is the one available in the part list.
It seems this is the one you're looking for.
* Audio shift available in the edit page, which transposes the audio content without affecting the keyrange.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:05 am

ttoz wrote: i think the whole point is which developers as yourselves constantly ignore, and never comment on, is that every pace plugin in existence is cracked (why do you think waves have started their anti piracy crusade and suing people?)

so it actually offers no protection at all, it is the easiest system for the hackers to crack, end of story. You might as well have no protection at all.

The next point every developer that uses pace fails to comment on is that the pace licensing costs the developer MORE than syncrosoft, and syncrosoft for the last 2 years IS uncrackable.

Not meaning to hijack the thread, like I said i'll buy it, i use pace, but there is no point arguing in it's defence, other than the ease of use of the ilok itself, because it actually does offer NO protection for your work.

AFAIK, Waves has been cracked because of their demo period which people resets.
I've already seen a cracked version of MachFive V1 on PC, but it's been a long time ago and PACE protection have changed a lot since.
However, I've never seen a cracked version of more recent plugins using PACE, especially on MAC which do not offer an evaluation period.
Let me know if I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Mighty Pea · Post by **Mighty Pea** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:29 am

It's nice to have some conversation going on with developers about points like these. What I think you fail to understand is that these things are often enough bothersome to customers, which I should think is an issue. You mention that the plugins that haven't been cracked don't offer an evaluation-period... that sounds like a terrible price to pay to minimise piracy, to me. Don't you agree?
I have great respect for those developers that use a less intrusive approach to business, myself. As it stands, I won't be able to try this because my computer is also a source of income to me, and I can't let drm/copy-protection software be installed on it. As an aside: I've worked at companies where they routinely buy their software and then crack it, for convenience's sake. That can make it much easier for a company to think "we've got this new guy now, he needs a copy of 'software x', but we've already got the crack... why bother to purchase it?"

That's just an aside, mind. My main issue is with not treating your customers like criminals, and not having to install extra software to make sure you're not abusing the software that's rightfully yours. The amusing point is that those using pirated versions of said software wouldn't have to go through this extra 'hoop'.

I hope I'm not derailing the thread, or inviting others to come in here spouting hatred. I truly do aprpeciate that you're listening to your customers in this way, especially since you seem to be giving away such a nice piece of software, and responding to bug-reports fairly quickly.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:17 am

Gothboy wrote:
otristan wrote:
Gothboy wrote:[quote="otristan]Regarding the crash, are you using a recent downloaded version?
I downloaded the UVI Workstation beta the day before yesterday. Has it been updated since?

otristan wrote:It has been updated Tuedsay the 19th around 6PM(GMT+1).
You can download it back just to be sure.
Thanks,
I just downloaded UVI @ 4:00 Sunday EST after uninstalling the initial download I had on my PC. After installing the extra soundpack demo and then getting the standalone to work I tried it in MuLab. I CAN get the scan to work on the plug but then it crashes MuLab upon instantiation. The GUI comes up for a second and then the crash. So that's where we are with MuLab. See if you can replicate that and report back. I'll be happy to work on it here. I like this instrument! Enough naysaying! We'll get this thing working!

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At first look, this is a bug in MuLab which don't handle plugin with more than 32 outputs and we have in our case 34 outputs: 1 main stereo and 16 stereo aux.
Let me know what MuLab dev think about it.

Thanks,

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:46 am

Mighty Pea wrote:It's nice to have some conversation going on with developers about points like these. What I think you fail to understand is that these things are often enough bothersome to customers, which I should think is an issue. You mention that the plugins that haven't been cracked don't offer an evaluation-period... that sounds like a terrible price to pay to minimise piracy, to me. Don't you agree?
I have great respect for those developers that use a less intrusive approach to business, myself. As it stands, I won't be able to try this because my computer is also a source of income to me, and I can't let drm/copy-protection software be installed on it. As an aside: I've worked at companies where they routinely buy their software and then crack it, for convenience's sake. That can make it much easier for a company to think "we've got this new guy now, he needs a copy of 'software x', but we've already got the crack... why bother to purchase it?"

That's just an aside, mind. My main issue is with not treating your customers like criminals, and not having to install extra software to make sure you're not abusing the software that's rightfully yours. The amusing point is that those using pirated versions of said software wouldn't have to go through this extra 'hoop'.

I hope I'm not derailing the thread, or inviting others to come in here spouting hatred. I truly do aprpeciate that you're listening to your customers in this way, especially since you seem to be giving away such a nice piece of software, and responding to bug-reports fairly quickly.

Regarding evaluation period, this is a non issue in our case as the instrument can be used freely so can be tested without any restriction.

I will not talk about should we protect our software or not as it's a endless debate and the fact that we have already made our choice and won't change our mind.

However, what I can talk you about is how PACE protection is better than other protection.
* First of all, you can use UVIWorkstation on any computer you want(still one at a time). So not limited to a fixed number of computers where it's really painful to deauthorize one computer when even possible.
That means that you can bring your HD & your key to your friend's studio and everything will work.
* You can subscribe an insurance at PACE in case you lost or broke your key.
* You're not screwed if you don't have net access and you require an immediate Challenge/Response.
* You don't have to wait for this Challenge/Response as you already have everything.
* the iLok key can handle multiple authorization from multiple vendors so you don't have to buy an USB hub to plug all your key.

Another pros which is more directed to soundbank editor as UVIWorkstation is an open platform, soundbanks are now really protected unlike giga files or stuff like that. So I'm pretty that we will see amazing soundbanks coming because of this. I feel sorry for guys making Giga studio soundbank which are pirated a lot because you only have to copy the file on your HD.

I'm pretty sure there is a lot of other Pros for it.

If you want to further discuss this issue, you can maybe create another thread as I prefer to keep this one software bug/features related.

Thanks for your support.

Gothboy · Post by **Gothboy** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:21 pm

otristan wrote:
Gothboy wrote:
otristan wrote:
Gothboy wrote:[quote="otristan]Regarding the crash, are you using a recent downloaded version?
I downloaded the UVI Workstation beta the day before yesterday. Has it been updated since?

otristan wrote:It has been updated Tuedsay the 19th around 6PM(GMT+1).
You can download it back just to be sure.
Thanks,
I just downloaded UVI @ 4:00 Sunday EST after uninstalling the initial download I had on my PC. After installing the extra soundpack demo and then getting the standalone to work I tried it in MuLab. I CAN get the scan to work on the plug but then it crashes MuLab upon instantiation. The GUI comes up for a second and then the crash. So that's where we are with MuLab. See if you can replicate that and report back. I'll be happy to work on it here. I like this instrument! Enough naysaying! We'll get this thing working!

otristan wrote:At first look, this is a bug in MuLab which don't handle plugin with more than 32 outputs and we have in our case 34 outputs: 1 main stereo and 16 stereo aux.
Let me know what MuLab dev think about it.
Thanks,

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Hummmm....OK. Off by 2 outputs. Why 34 outputs? I'll report that to MuLab.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:29 pm

Gothboy wrote: Hummmm....OK. Off by 2 outputs. Why 34 outputs? I'll report that to MuLab.

1 main stereo and 16 stereo auxes so you can have one aux per possible midi channel and still be able to output aux and master FX content in a separate output.

Another possible answer would be why not

Let me know what the MuLab guy tell you.

Thanks,

UVI Workstation (release)