Tim's Rhino bank 2
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- KVRAF
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- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Ttoz,
From what I've heard the guys at Muse have already been succesfully using Rhino with Receptor.
'Tick
From what I've heard the guys at Muse have already been succesfully using Rhino with Receptor.
'Tick
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- KVRAF
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- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Ttoz,
That's a valid argument, however I read somewhere that expiration dates on demos was a bad idea, because a lot of users don't really have the time to fully test the software in a short amount of time. They may install it, play it a bit, and not come back to it until a few months later.
Also, let's be honest, the reason why I didn't go with the "time limited" system is that it's so damn easy to crack...
'Tick
That's a valid argument, however I read somewhere that expiration dates on demos was a bad idea, because a lot of users don't really have the time to fully test the software in a short amount of time. They may install it, play it a bit, and not come back to it until a few months later.
Also, let's be honest, the reason why I didn't go with the "time limited" system is that it's so damn easy to crack...
'Tick
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
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- KVRAF
- 2582 posts since 24 Apr, 2003 from Canada
Thats why demos that can track how long they are used (in hrs and min) are nice. If you use a plug for 5-10 hours (i don't know what a proper number of hrs should be, actually), you will pretty much know if you want it.Big Tick wrote:Ttoz,
That's a valid argument, however I read somewhere that expiration dates on demos was a bad idea, because a lot of users don't really have the time to fully test the software in a short amount of time. They may install it, play it a bit, and not come back to it until a few months later.
Also, let's be honest, the reason why I didn't go with the "time limited" system is that it's so damn easy to crack...
'Tick
As for the cracking aspect - isn't Rhino getting cracked anyway? Thats not meant to be a smartass comment, just an observation
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Well.... it's not getting out of control...As for the cracking aspect - isn't Rhino getting cracked anyway? Thats not meant to be a smartass comment, just an observation
'Tick
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 14 May, 2003 from Brooklyn, NY
Uh, Tick... don't mean to burst your bubble but anything is crackable and will be released in pirated form. One can procure Rhino (v1.5) off of Emule. I haven't done this even though I've been dying to give the other presets a listen. Really though, only reason is cause I know Rhino definitely has a perfect slot waiting for it in my musical arsenal. From trying out the demo I gathered it would be wonderful for a variety of thick atmospheric tones. I didn't gather from the presets that it would be good in any way for basslines but I know it is in fact going to be good for that too. I'm just saying that the "presets" didn't make it seem this way. Look, you seem like no matter if a thousand people ask you to change it you still won't so whatever. It's your product. But like TTOZ said, 64 presets is simply NOT enough to play with to know for sure you want to buy the synth. z3ta+ has 640 presets! That's sweet to get someone nuts over their synth. As the honest people that will buy your product we are giving you good suggestions. The creeps that will download a pirated version don't give a rats ass what scheme you use! Anyway, just my 2 cents.Big Tick wrote:Also, let's be honest, the reason why I didn't go with the "time limited" system is that it's so damn easy to crack...
Revolver.
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- KVRAF
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- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Revolver,
Indeed you can grab an (older) version from Emule. It won't load the newest banks, by the way.
I don't want to sound like I'm a stubborn geek who's not listening to users - it's definitely not the case. But I know for sure that most users won't ever bother to create their own presets. They only want is some nice sounds out of the box. Out of this vast majority, many of them would not register the software if they were able to play all the presets and render them to a .wav file.
It's funny how this debate on demo schemes keeps coming back in these forums...
Indeed you can grab an (older) version from Emule. It won't load the newest banks, by the way.
I don't want to sound like I'm a stubborn geek who's not listening to users - it's definitely not the case. But I know for sure that most users won't ever bother to create their own presets. They only want is some nice sounds out of the box. Out of this vast majority, many of them would not register the software if they were able to play all the presets and render them to a .wav file.
It's funny how this debate on demo schemes keeps coming back in these forums...
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
Quite right. Users have zero incentive toBig Tick wrote:Revolver,
Indeed you can grab an (older) version from Emule. It won't load the newest banks, by the way.
I don't want to sound like I'm a stubborn geek who's not listening to users - it's definitely not the case. But I know for sure that most users won't ever bother to create their own presets. They only want is some nice sounds out of the box. Out of this vast majority, many of them would not register the software if they were able to play all the presets and render them to a .wav file.
It's funny how this debate on demo schemes keeps coming back in these forums...
register if all the extra banks are provided and can be used as .wav files.
The extra preset banks are an 'Incentive to purchase'
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 14 May, 2003 from Brooklyn, NY
Pfft, quite wrong. Who the hell in their right mind is going to build a sample library (or even multisampled actually) of each preset??? That's insane. I personally don't even have the time to dick around with creating sample layers and all that crap in a sampler. If you think about the time involved to do that and your average work pay it just doesn't pay off. About 3 hours of my pay (well before taxes) will pay for Rhino. Oh well, too bad you guys are stuck on it. Again, doesn't matter to me as I'm buying it in about a week but seeing as how I don't see z3ta+, or the ReFX stuff rampantly pirated and also how I bought their plugs first I think it says a little something. Anyway, you guys all have yourselves a fantastic weekend!! Thank God it's Friday!aoemer wrote:Quite right. Users have zero incentive to register if all the extra banks are provided and can be used as .wav files.
Revolver.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3388 posts since 29 May, 2001 from New York, NY
Well, I guess it means that it's, as always, the pro and honest users that get annoyed by these (sadly, mandatory) copy protection schemes. It also means that there's no ideal scheme (that is, one that would appeal to all categories of users).
'Tick
Aint that the truthRevolver wrote:Thank God it's Friday!
'Tick
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- 1319 posts since 29 Jul, 2002
now that i'm done doing my happy dance and laughing at all the ridiculous reasons why people who have heard examples of rhino and tried the demo just can't seem to break out that credit card i just wanna say
not only do you make great presets but you know a good synth when you see/hear one
not only do you make great presets but you know a good synth when you see/hear one
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- 3833 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from Santa Clara, CA, USA
yes...this uses the new presets ( bank 2)and gives a good example of what you can do with the algorithmic presets, lead and ambient patches. I was really surprised that rhino can do decent mini-moog stuff as well as atmospheric.
Basically I recorded 5 different algorithmics as waves, then strung them together, crossfading into each other in cubase. Then recorded live playing to it ( from a rhino instance) while changing presets.
one thing Tic: Whenever I changed patches , it spikes the CPU ( in Cubase Vst)I even wait untill the sound dies away, but any patch change spikes it. However, when I render the whole thing to one wave file, the spikes are not there ( whew!) anyone else have this problem when doing patch changes while the track is running?
anyway, had great fun actually working with the new presets, instead of just programming them.
TimC
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- KVRist
- 143 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
If it's not too much effort for you: why not have two demo versions? One like the current (limited to only 64 patches) and one which can load all the banks, but emits a noise every 5 seconds. This would cater for two main categories of potential buyers.Big Tick wrote:Well, I guess it means that it's, as always, the pro and honest users that get annoyed by these (sadly, mandatory) copy protection schemes. It also means that there's no ideal scheme (that is, one that would appeal to all categories of users).
When I tried the demo some months ago, I first thought nice synth, but not a must have, because the presets didn't convince me that much (I'm not a gifted tweaker myself).
Only when I read all the praise about the new banks (esp. Tim's), I was tempted again to buy Rhino. First I was a little bit reluctant, because I couldn't demo the new bank, but eventually my curiosity won. Fortunately, this was not a mistake at all.
Fette Töle
PS: The new bank is fantastic!