SampleTron vs. M-Tron Pro

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From my perspective

[hydemusic]

That's not really the point - this is a piece of digital information - very cheap to make and reproduce rather than an actual artefact. But can you explain why you didn't include at least one complete set of Optigan or talentmaker chord sets? I am assuming you have played one and will know that that doesn't make sense - even as demonstration. To have a partial set, you can't play it as it was meant to be played - the chord set was the main feature of the thing - it's just frustrating. And you must have the optical records to sample from right? So why not do a full set? It seems rather odd.

From my perspective as being mainly a guitarist, you have a Strat but there are 20 or so variations on a Fender Strat...Maple neck, rosewood neck, pickups, woods etc. I own two Strats and three Teles. All of them sound similar in some ways but there are sounds where only THAT guitar has and no other Strat ot Tele will produce it. If you want that sound you purchase that guitar and it's a helluva lot more expensensive that purchasing software. That's my point. There's no one sound or guitar in the sky unfortunately...

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Anyway, if you need a straw to break the camel's back then how about this. IK's Summer promo is BUY SAMPLETRON and get SAMPLEMOOG FREE!!!!
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That's if you own at least ONE IK product you can qualify for the crossgrade discount AND get the free SampleMoog.

This confuses me a little.
Where is this Summer Promo announced?

[Parisongs]

Well, I know Sampletron is one hell of an instrument. I was about to post this actually, when I saw this thread and decided to add to it instead.I've owned it for about 3 weeks and have gotten a lot of mileage out of it already. I own M-Tron as well and it too is a superb instrument. It was certainly not a waste to have them both but if they come out with MTron Pro I will probably buy it as well. Does anyone know when M-tron Pro is supposed to be out? Seems like it is a big secret at this point.

[monsterbeetle]

can't you just use a regular loop sampler with banks? I don't really get this whole virtual mellotron thing. mellotrons and likes were just archaic samplers after all

why do they have to release the sampled tapebanks through a dedicated interface?

no wait don't tell me, its just a marketing thing right?

[Squids]

can't you just use a regular loop sampler with banks? I don't really get this whole virtual mellotron thing. mellotrons and likes were just archaic samplers after all

why do they have to release the sampled tapebanks through a dedicated interface?

no wait don't tell me, its just a marketing thing right?

You'd think someone with the name MONSTERBEETLE would kind of GET Mellotrons. (Beatles reference)

If you don't know what a Mellotron or Chamberlin is then true this probably ISN'T for you. Maybe... that is unless you like the sounds of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Moody Blues, Kanye West, Jon Brion, Fiona Apple, Michael Penn, Crowded House, Tom Waits... those are artists that use these instruments for their very distinct character. It is not just a loop machine but a playable instrument that does strings, choirs, flutes, quirky sounds really. It isn't just marketing at ALL. It is a specific thing that people like. Certain producers. LOFI analog. These are rare instruments that we've sampled. Some there were only maybe 10 in the world! This collection is 100% worth the money if you appreciate the rare find and ability to use these sounds in your music. If you don't then of course there are plenty of other sparkly sample plugs to use that aren't going for that gritty vintage sound. It is a taste thing but there is definitely a PLACE for it and it isn't a bunch of BS hype or anything.

@ Monday. You make a point that it would have been nice to have the full Optigan sets in . It'd also be nice to have every Mellotron and Chamberlin sound ever made and so on... But that wasn't the aim of the product. The aim to provide a large collection of Trons (going even further than Squids Tron 1 combined with a plug-in). The MAIN thing about it is the playable multi-samples.

You say that the loops was the whole point of the Optigan but that's not true. Half the point was that and the other half was the playable instrument itself - the organ sounds and various lofi samples as heard on Jon Brion's records and many others today. The loops we have in Stron are a sampling of various cool loops and they ARE usable of course. But not as a "virtual optigan" and it was never said that this WAS a virtual optigan. You can however purchase a full optigan disc FROM Optigan.com and we'll probably become resellers of it on esoundz at some point. You say "easy enough to just do it" but that's not necessarily the case. It depends on how far one wants to go to do it. I personally would like to at some point but then it would not be so easy the way I'd want to do a full Optigan set. Plus if it was just included along with everything else it would have caused the price to go up. The cost of making one of these products is probably MUCH HIGHER than you think. I can understand how it might SEEM like nothing but that's not the case. Those that don't really know can't make an accurate assessment about it. But the short version is that these instruments are hard to find, finicky and the editing, programming and customization of the software takes an enormous amount of TIME. Time factors into the cost of a product as much as any manufactured parts of a hardware unit.

Anyway, I think we did great on giving you a lot of sounds for the money. Sure, if you own Squids Tron Vol. 1 there's less NEW stuff but since that was only bought through esoundz you can just get a crossgrade discount from Allen for SampleTron... although it does have the material from Squids Tron 2 in there so it is STILL worth it... just maybe not if you want a full virtual Optigan. But, you DO get a lot of great playable multi-sampled instruments which is its main goal. Some cool esoteric loops on top... where else can you find Powerhouse 8 track drum machine loops?

SampleTron is cool. Anyone who doesn't get it is missing out by a lot of people's opinions... but people that really GET this stuff and LOVE IT! Like I said, I DEFINITELY DO and will personally get the M-Tron Pro as well. That's because I want everything there IS when it comes to these awesome character sounds... and it is way way way cheaper than the hardware (and easier to get). Know what I mean? Yes? No? Okay, well some do and some don't. It is an esoteric piece.

[Squids]

Oh yeah and if you add in that you get SampleMoog for free right now then it REALLY just comes down to... do you like vintage keyboard sounds? Then this is your chance to get it for the lowest price we're likely to have.

Btw, to answer an earlier question all you have to do is buy it from www.esoundz.com - either SampleTron or SampleMoog and in your IK user area after you register you'll get download instructions on the OTHER as a freebie but this promo is only for the Summer. There's news on IK's site and there should be some info the esoundz page but if it isn't there yet then no worries. It goes by the time you register so as long as that is within July and August you're good to get it.

[Caleb]

Hey Squids - feel free to delete this if you think it's inappropriate as it's not actually an eSoundz offer, but I was going to mention that if you really like the idea of these various SampleTank powered instruments (not just 'Tron and 'Moog and you're a gigging musician, then you should also probably be looking at the latest IKM/Receptor deal.

I was pretty blown away with what was on offer there - a fully loaded SampleTank powered hardware module. I think CSR and TRacks are included as well - not sure about the various IKM Amp effects.

So that's ST2.5 XL, Sonik Synth 2, Miroslav Philharmonik, SampleMoog and SampleTron all in the same deal.

If you were setting up your live kit, this would give you a sound module that surely most others would drool all over. I mean these instruments have some of the best and most playable sounds on the planet - and look at the variety on offer; it boggles the mind.

OK - rave mode over.

Regards
Caleb

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Btw, to answer an earlier question all you have to do is buy it from www.esoundz.com - either SampleTron or SampleMoog and in your IK user area after you register you'll get download instructions on the OTHER as a freebie but this promo is only for the Summer. There's news on IK's site and there should be some info the esoundz page but if it isn't there yet then no worries. It goes by the time you register so as long as that is within July and August you're good to get it.

OK, I have found the news on your site.
Thanks for the informations.
But I still have a question.
Your site says:

Buy SampleMoog or SampleTron ... and get the other FREE ...
Simply buy and register your eligible product within the promotion dates and download your FREE product from your IK User Area online.

I am aware that the AT products are downloadable, but what is with Sampletron and Samplemoog?
Say I would buy Sampletron, does it mean you would ship Sampletron and I would be able to download Samplemoog on IK's site (or inverse)?
If so, would it be possible to directly buy download version of these two products?
If yes, I guess I would buy it right now
And if not, where from would I get the second free product?

Best regards

[soulata]

If so, would it be possible to directly buy download version of these two products?
If yes, I guess I would buy it right now

+1

(except I'd buy them in August)

[Squids]

Whichever one you get (shipped) the second one is downloadable. But you can talk to allen (at) esoundz (dot) com.

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Whichever one you get (shipped) the second one is downloadable. But you can talk to allen (at) esoundz (dot) com.

OK I did.
Waiting for an answer.