Tim's Rhino bank 2

[Improv]

Ok, so how do you set these 'rules' for the algorithm? I'd assumed you just specify which notes (such as 4th, 5th, min7th) and then it randomly sequences through them.

Maybe this is too technical, I'm just curious how a synth can accomplish variations on a theme.

You're over analyzing it, that's why it's not clear. As I said, just use your imagination -come up with a riff, or use the first few notes of a tune, or some piece of music theory,
or almost anything.

[tconrardy]

so each algorithmic patch randomly plays notes in its own key? ie. if you play an E3 note you will get random wackiness in the key of E?

For the most part ..yes...whatever notes are programmed in the sequence section are randomly picked. I have found that if you hit a middle C, it plays in the key of C major ( again, depending on the sequence). Hitting an E will be in Emajor, ect. If you listen to the MP3 example,( my ambient demo..see previous posts) it can give you some ideas. This was all done in C major, thus it sounds very ambient and "pretty" yet cool. Very Klaus Schultzy like ( remember "Mirage"?)

Tic: idea for random patch: can you use a mask? The sysex apps I use for my hardware synths such as Dx heaven use a user selectable page where you select what you want masked for the random parameters and a percentage of change parameter, so when you hit "generate" it only randomizes the parameters and percentage you specified.

TimC

[Big Tick]

Floyd: it's fairly simple actually, the built-in step sequencer is programmed to play a given sequence, and then it's switched to random mode so that it plays the note of the sequence randomly. With a carefully chosen sequence, you get Tim's algorithmics....

Tim: that mask page would be pretty big, don't you think so ?
Maybe a better option would be to randomly swap data between presets in the same bank...

'Tick

[Soundspectral]

Floyd: it's fairly simple actually, the built-in step sequencer is programmed to play a given sequence, and then it's switched to random mode so that it plays the note of the sequence randomly. With a carefully chosen sequence, you get Tim's algorithmics....

Tim: that mask page would be pretty big, don't you think so ?
Maybe a better option would be to randomly swap data between presets in the same bank...

'Tick

Please take a look how this is done in Chainer !
Not perfect but on a very good way.

[Improv]

Floyd: it's fairly simple actually, the built-in step sequencer is programmed to play a given sequence, and then it's switched to random mode so that it plays the note of the sequence randomly. With a carefully chosen sequence, you get Tim's algorithmics....

Tim: that mask page would be pretty big, don't you think so ?
Maybe a better option would be to randomly swap data between presets in the same bank...

'Tick

Please take a look how this is done in Chainer !
Not perfect but on a very good way.

Do you mean the Preset Lab? It has morphing between two patches, mixing between two patches and their parameters, and a % randomize.

Considering that I got Chainer as a stand alone VSTi player, this was a VERY cool feature.

[pummel]

on copy protection and the demo -- i agree with 'tic on his policy. in my opinion, the 64 presets of the demo are plenty -- because it is not the quantity that matters, it is quality. for me, it only took a few of the presets to appreciate rhino's potential (and, on the down side, its cpu usage). sixty four is enough to give a decent cross section; pads, leads, basses, emulations, etc. i would argue that a 'better' set of 64 could have been choosen; a set that demonstrates a broader cross section of what this synth can do. as for quantity, ive listened to similarly priced synths with hundreds of presets, and come away with a cold feeling -- heck, if the developer and/or his right hand man cannot come up with decent presets, what is the chance i will?

having said that about demo preset quantity, i think it is important to realize that a significant portion of the work (and therefore cost) involved in creating a synth is its presents. it can take hours to tweak a single preset to perfection; multiply that by 256 or more, and you could have coded a new synth in that time.

the demo only has to show quality potential; the purchase should include quality and quantity.