Anyone here who got Omnisphere?

[topaz]

didn't eric already say he knows there needs to be audio demos.. and there will be.

why to people keep bleeting on and on about the same thing like a stuck loop.

I understand lots of people make music that loops over and over and over, but does life also have to be like that ? hehe

there are no audio demos YET, there ARE lots of video demos and a good selection of songs from the contest already.

[Epiphany]

I'm not in the least suprised at the ingracious, ungrateful, churlish responses of some people here to both Omnisphere and the Spectrasonics team.

Like many others (those who prefer "making music" to "competing in the retarded web olympics") I have used Trilogy and Atmosphere in every track since I bought them. More often than not I end up replacing parts from my Virus TI (a well regarded synth) with Trilogy and Atmosphere. SOV is still my go-to choir sample set. I'm certain many professional producers still depend heavily on the JV series for their bread and butter sounds. In sum, countless top tracks would never have been created without Eric's contribution to synthesis and sound design. And crucially the sound quality in all their work is second to none.

Next, Eric and his team try to push the envelope of what is possible with a synthesis workstation and what is possible within the VST standard, the latest culmination of all that growth and heritage. Those same individuals then set a price that, as a comparably powered system, is less than a quarter of the aforementioned Virus TI. They then come to KVR to answer in total warmth and grace nearly each and every question that is put to them, despite a tone of total ingratitude and a prevalence of unsubtantiated, blind criticism.

Of course, Spectrasonics shouldnt pay any heed to the bilge on here; NI and Arturia don't. After all, most of the "opinions" are not in the least bit sincere. Rather, this forum features some of the most weak minded, insecure, ingracious and unhappy geeks anywhere on the internet.

So yes, Eric, "wow... KVR". In large part, it is simply no more than "Computing Club" at high school. A hopeless micro hierarchy whose internal masters are still utterly abject and inadequate by any external standard.

[whyterabbyt]

In sum, countless top tracks would never have been created without Eric's contribution to synthesis and sound design.

paras 1 and 3, I agree with. that part of para 2, though is just a ridiculously fallacious argument.

[Mr. Tingle]

I'm not in the least suprised at the ingracious, ungrateful, churlish responses of some people here to both Omnisphere and the Spectrasonics team.

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So yes, Eric, "wow... KVR". In large part, it is simply no more than "Computing Club" at high school. A hopeless micro hierarchy whose internal masters are still utterly abject and inadequate by any external standard.

look bud, everyone gets things wrong from time to time, even spectrasonics. If you've been so shallow as to fall and worship at the feet of omnisphere because of their excellent marketing campaign then you need to sit up and take your blindfold off. The criticism on this forum has been good natured and on the whole accurate. It is obvious that any product will have teething problems at the beginning and Eric is wise enough to realize that this. KVR is an excellent free spirited eclectic that the music community should be proud of, not least for the fact that products can gain thousands of dollas worth of custom here! Worth taking the time to talk things through in my opinion.

[spectrum]

Thanks for the reply, Glenn. You guys are doing a great job here!

Yes, velocity is available as a modulation source and there is a rather extensive velocity curve editor.

Sounds good. So is it possible to have different curves for different parameters? That would be quite important to me, as I like to make patches as expressive and responsive as possible.

You can control the depth independently for every destination, but not separate curves.

However, we worked really hard on the dynamic responsiveness and making the curves sound very musical. I think you'll find that it's highly tweakable and that between the curve editor and all the individual depths of velocity that you have a great deal of control over the dynamics of the parameters and you can make it extremely expressive.

[spectrum]

Y Why they didn't hire an intern or ask some of the patch designers to go through and record some of the high-lights from each category is beyond me, but so be it.

I'm kind of wondering that too, but better late than never. This is one of those issues I brought up in the recent topic regarding issues that developers should pay attention to. Why not have your beta testers do some mp3's of patches? Why not have the sound designers record some mp3's of the sounds they are designing during the design process (shouldn't take much time since they have to play the hell out of the patches they're designing anyway)? Why not have a few dedicated mp3 demo composers help out? Then everything could be released at once on the release date.

Often people who pay attention to a product will check it out during the first week of its release, and if they don't find anything that they need to convince them, they won't look again. Many of these people don't go to forums much or read magazines much, so if you lose them on that first impression, then you lose them forever. IMHO I think developers should not jump the gun when releasing a product--make sure you have all your ducks lined up and THEN release everything at once. You'd save yourself a lot of headache trying to address all the questions that could've been answered by mp3 demo's. User's manual and patch list are also a great way to impart the info that prospect buyers need.

In a perfect world, this and every other request could be available simultaneously at the highest quality level.

However, the most important thing to me is always that everything is at the highest quality level that we are capable of, so that takes more time. In this instance, we had to put the priority on finishing the library. That timing was the #1 priority.

Considering that we had the identical situation with the audio demos during the Stylus RMX launch, I think we'll be OK with Omnisphere too.

The warehouse has told me that they've sold a couple already.

Thanks for the feedback and ideas though! It's always welcome.

Cheers,

spectrum

PS. I do totally understand the need for demos. They are in the works.

[Lunatique]

I'm not in the least suprised at the ingracious, ungrateful, churlish responses of some people here to both Omnisphere and the Spectrasonics team.

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So yes, Eric, "wow... KVR". In large part, it is simply no more than "Computing Club" at high school. A hopeless micro hierarchy whose internal masters are still utterly abject and inadequate by any external standard.

look bud, everyone gets things wrong from time to time, even spectrasonics. If you've been so shallow as to fall and worship at the feet of omnisphere because of their excellent marketing campaign then you need to sit up and take your blindfold off. The criticism on this forum has been good natured and on the whole accurate. It is obvious that any product will have teething problems at the beginning and Eric is wise enough to realize that this. KVR is an excellent free spirited eclectic that the music community should be proud of, not least for the fact that products can gain thousands of dollas worth of custom here! Worth taking the time to talk things through in my opinion.

Exactly. What is happening right now is a perfect case in point. Developers might think they got it all covered and their marketing plan/schedule is well-thought out, but based on all the posts at KVR up to this point, it is a lesson that developers could learn from. As far as I can tell, very few people, if any, were malicious a$$sholes that had nothing better to do than go bashing on some new product--most were people that actually are contemplating buying, and are asking questions and wanting their concerns addressed. What that means, is they are potential customers. You do what you can to convert potential customers into paying customers, and Eric is doing a great job addressing those concerns.

No matter how immature or ungrateful some members might be, they are still potential customers. If potential customers say that they prefer to have comprehensive audio demo's ready for them to listen to upon a product's release instead of weeks after (when you might have already lost a portion of possible customers because they will not check back for audio demos you post LATER, instead of during the release week), then you take notes and remember to do that for your next product. That is what smart developers would do--to address the buying habits of your potential customers.

Anyway, I'm a huge fan and supporter of Eric's and he knows that. We are only trying to help by offering advice.

[christianmusicmaker]

I really hope this does not stir up issues here. I must say I thought it was a somewhat strange response from Eric. As was the general reference to KVR users. "KVR is awesome" as in what's wrong with us?

Absolutely Nothing.

But it's fair to say that KvR is a little more on the "wild west" side of the forum world.

And that's part of its beauty too. I wouldn't change a thing.

Yeah sorry Eric, I get your point now. 150,000+ KVR members = a huge amount of different view points. I guess one cannot avoid seeing things differently from time to time, but it's how that is handled that is the key. Not always easy but yeah it's well worth the rich info and feedback to post and read on KVR for sure. It was the deservedly high praise for Atmos, Tril and RMX on KVR over the years that got me so curious about them in the first place.

Like Kunilko, Per's demo really was not the kind of sounds I would get Omni for. (I appreciate the time Per put into getting the demo out).

The problem is Eric, without a demo we really do have to scan threads and You tube for anyone who wants to put an mp3 demo up. I really like the idea behind Omnisphere (many clearly agree) but it's one of the most bizarre approaches to marketing software I have seen.

It's not a marketing strategy at all.

We are just trying to catch-up to showing what this instrument can do.

Our first priority was producing this beast - which took 100% of our team's effort.

Now we are beginning the process of showing what it's all about.

Super. Your team (based on the NAMM images) looks relatively small so I can only imagine the man - hours required to manage such a huge product release. Once more of what Omni can do can be seen and heard, I think you will find a massive spike of interest over and above the already (well deserved) high level of interest Omni has generated.

I think the central issue for some is, what percentage of the Library is for unconventional sounds (which I appreciate is likely the key focus for Omni) and what percentage is for Basses, Pads, Leads e.t.c

I think you kindly provided info on the break down of included SOV content and other previous Spectrasonics sample Libraries compared to new content in Omni, but I would really like to know what the split is (roughly anyway) between unconventional sounds and other more familiar sounds. (Basses, Pads Leads)E.t.c

I would say it's about 75% in the "useful" category and about 25% in the more experimental/super unique kinds of territories.

But it depends a lot on the patches of course. And those will be expanding very rapidly. So it's not possible to put any sort of precise figure on it.

Gold. Eric. Gold. That was *exactly* the info I was looking for. I will definitely purchase Omni now. It's now a question of *when* not if.

Of course you cannot be expected to answer every single question in detail but thanks for taking the time on this one. You just got yourself another buyer Probably later rather than sooner but it's definite. I can also now recommend it to others I know, that might be interested in Omnisphere based the info you have given me.

FWIW I do also have an interest in the "experimental/super unique kinds of territories" as you put it. As an onwer of Atmosphere there is plenty of that there and it does work *very* well and can be easily as useful as more familiar sounds.

So that is something I will also be spending plenty of time on. I definitely like to experiment with new things, so now that I know more about what is in inside Omni, I'm very happy with what it offers and of course trust the very high quality based on my current usage of Trilogy, RMX and Atmosphere.

Future Mp3's and videos of Omnisphere are just icing on the Spectrasonics cake for me now.

[mellotronaut]

ad Epiphany et al.:
I don't want to marry Eric or Glenn, i just wanna know a bit more than written specs and promotional videos about a (in software-terms) high-priced instrument, before i consider buying it. So it was quite useful to get two demos (and i hope, there will be more soon ... and thanks a lot for them!).
So, please stop this almost religious loss of adhesion now for a moment!
I too praise some dev, when i think, he or she has made a great and useable product (e.g. Automaton-thread), but here i have the impression, something is in the wrong order (normally demoing or trying out and then praise).
And i'm not against Omnisphere or the devs or whatever; i just don't like this kind of yodel here.
At least Omnisphere is a product and the devs are humans with great skills, but we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

chrimel

[spectrum]

we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

Sir, you have just earned yourself a place in the Omnisphere patch library!

Look for "Cheesy Heaven" in the next patch update. Created just for you!

spectrum

[Bobbotov]

we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

Sir, you have just earned yourself a place in the Omnisphere patch library!

Look for "Cheesy Heaven" in the next patch update. Created just for you!

spectrum

Then there has to be a Hammy Hell.

[koalaboy]

I should have had it today, but I seem to have got the shipping and billing address mixed up (which the techshop receipt showed had I actually read it properly). That explains why my card was refused and I had to use paypal.

Not sure I can last the weekend now

[spectrum]

we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

Sir, you have just earned yourself a place in the Omnisphere patch library!

Look for "Cheesy Heaven" in the next patch update. Created just for you!

spectrum

Then there has to be a Hammy Hell.

OK...you're in there too.

These are coming out pretty cool too.

Using the Heartbeat LFO shaped LFO for fine pitch modulation with vintage Roland Paraphonic 505 Contrabass.

Fun stuff.

[Bobbotov]

we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

Sir, you have just earned yourself a place in the Omnisphere patch library!

Look for "Cheesy Heaven" in the next patch update. Created just for you!

spectrum

Then there has to be a Hammy Hell.

OK...you're in there too.

These are coming out pretty cool too.

Using the Heartbeat LFO shaped LFO for fine pitch modulation with vintage Roland Paraphonic 505 Contrabass.

Fun stuff.

Cool.

Incidentally, I just received Omnisphere and was going through the patches last night but aside from being overwhelmed I really couldn't see specifically how the Atmosphere patches were integrated. I am sure I missed something (a lot actually).

[mellotronaut]

we're not in cheesy heaven yet!

Sir, you have just earned yourself a place in the Omnisphere patch library!

Look for "Cheesy Heaven" in the next patch update. Created just for you!

spectrum

thanks Eric!

one more reason to buy it ...

problem for me is: i live in Gran Canaria and the music-shops here don't have Spectrasonics' products to try out. The distributor for Canary Islands is in Tenerife (i have the same problem with Novation. I'm quite interested in Remote SL 61, but here you can't try any Novation Midi-controller. No demo-help, though there is a good thread on kvr from somebody, who tries it out) This is, why demos are so important for me.

chee(r)s

chrimel