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I received my copy yesterday. It took over 4 hours to install, yikes! I've had a chance to explore the synth, for several hours,read the help files, etc.

It obviously sounds fantastic. The amount of ultra-high quality raw material to program your own sounds is truly mind-boggling. There is a wide variety of sounds, ranging from the traditional to the outer reaches of sonic exploration. You can create your onw sounds a number of ways. If you're used to Atmosphere, there is a window which is quite similar where you can mix two patches. Now take that and multiply it by eight channels! Yikes. The possibilities for layering are mind-boggling but I doubt that there are many computers that could handle the load. There are new effects, an arpeggiator...it can become overwhelming pretty quickly.

On the 'down' side, although I have a modern PC (Q6600, 4 gigs of RAM, etc.) even the smallest patches always will exhibit a click or pop eventally regardless of the setting I've tried on the plugin. I'm sure that there's some heavy synthesis going on underneath the small samples that are loaded, but I can't see why a 12 meg patch would cause massive CPU spikes no matter what is going on. I've also had a couple of crashes and several times when the plugin just stopped its audio output. I guess it ran out of STEAM :-) Hopefully this will be addressed in the near future with an update. I would say that its weakest sounds were the Rhodes and Hammond-oriented sounds. They could have left those out completely, IMO.

Just for grins, I immediately loaded Cakewalk Rapture after toying around with Omnisphere. In terms of its general sonic quality, I would say that it is Omnisphere's equal and it also provides fertile ground for easily programming your own patches. Although Rapture doesn't ship 50 gigs of killer waveforms (Omnisphere is a closed system), it will allow you to load any wave file and use that for the basis of its synthesis. Rapture is a 6-channel instrument where Omnisphere is a 16-channel instrument. Rapture his very easy on the CPU.

Do I like Omnisphere? Yes. Will it make me get rid of Rapture, Dimension Pro, Thor, Zebra? No. We really have an embarrasment of riches these days!

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pdxindy wrote:[That is one of the reasons I like non sample based synths.
Agreed. I think it's nuts. There needs to be a distinction drawn between blatantly re-using the samples for commercial purposes - ie re-selling them which is obviously out of order - and using them in a normal way for creative uses outside of traditional song composition, ie production music etc.

Looks like I'm not even going to be able to try this synth then :(

ZdB

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Would anyone with Omnisphere be able to give me a quick run-down of the analogue synth soundsources available?

Im interested in its ability in sounding like an analogue poly-synth.....What do the filters sound like?

thanks :)
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If, like me, you are using an external drive for the Omnisphere dataset, make sure it is NTFS and not FAT32. Some of the Omnisphere data files exceed the 4Gb limit imposed by FAT32...as I just found out. ;)

Conversion from FAT32 to NTFS is relatively painless. This Microsoft article explains how to do it.

Spectrasonics also notes the NTFS issue in the knowledge base for Omnisphere.
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you know what is crazy.

I can sample the 1000 patches of my analog oberheim matrix 1000 and sell them with no problems or legal issuses.

Then I can turn around and create insane and crippling requests on others who buy my samples. Not only can I make the crazy requests, I am backed by law!

If I were to create the above product it would somehow be deemed by the courts to be more valuable than the original patches, only because mine are recorded and played on command, and the oberheims somehow lesser, because they are synthesized than then played on command.

Something is very wrong with that, and the 'samplist' have been using the 'recorded material' laws in a way that is not really in the spirit intended.

I don't think Spectrasonics are too that extreme, but we'll have to wait and see.

-dw

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Zero, I'm sure Eric will chime in here more with exactly the answers you need.

However, I don't think Omnisphere was ever billed exclusively as a DSP synth. It has been pretty clear since day one that it has a massive sample library.. several of the teaser videos specifically mentioned sampling, sample mangling, the psychoacoustic recordings, etc. It's a VI that can do normal synthesis, sampling, and combinations of both.

With regards to hardware workstations... though you don't normally see license agreements associated with them, restrictions do apply. You can't go and sample waveforms from a Triton and resell them, legally, as far as I'm aware.

Sound recordings can be copyrighted under the law. You can't copyright the vibration from a guitar, but if you capture those vibrations in a particular order, you can. In a similar vein, you can't copyright a tune you're humming, but write it down on paper and you can. This is how copyright has worked for quite awhile now.
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Zero dB wrote:After months of anticipation I just excitedly received a FedEx delivery this morning of the Omnisphere package! :D

Cracked it open immediately but before I opened the envelope containing the DVDs I looked through the user manual and came across the licence agreement. On the surface it seems worryingly draconian compared with any licence agreement I've seen before for a VSTi or sound module... and I'm very concerned now.
Don't be. It's the identical license that thousands of sample libraries and sample-based instruments use.

We are just clearer about explaining what that type of license means.
My worry is that a lot of the work I do is creating music for production libraries (used by radio, TV, film etc) and often as well as supplying the fully mixed tracks I create mixouts and breakdowns so that the in-house producers at the stations can do their own edits, etc. I also create production elements and sound design and FX for radio and TV (whizzes and bangs, FX for sync etc), often created by heavily manipulating synths, creating new patches, heavily mangling the resulting audio, etc etc.

The licence agreement for Omnisphere seems to imply that this kind of work is breach of the licence. Does anyone know whether this is the case? If so that's extremely disappointing news and sadly there's going to be a lot of composers creating music for media who simply aren't going to be able to use the synth!
No worries. That's not the case at all. :-)

In fact, your use is very typical of many of our users.

Providing breakout mixes for a client is considered standard musical use.
Really I need some clarification on this before I can even install or try the instrument - I'd love to hear your thoughts Eric if possible. Thanks in advance for any insight.
Thanks for asking. Happy to help.

Install with confidence. :-)

spectrum

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guys that are using omni goto the util menu and reset, then dive into the sound sources.


OMFG!!!! sound designers heaven.. to say the least.

VAST VAST VAST.


if Omni does not satisfy hard core tweakers, preset users, and working musicians and composers I have no idea what would.

the only problem now is many of my other instruments have just become obsolete.

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Zero dB wrote:This all just seems so restrictive; I'm in no way looking to make sample CDs or breach copyright - just use the synth in what I'd think to be a normal manner for anyone making music for media (ie, not just making songs).

Looking forward to hearing more replies to this.
Our copyrighted sound recordings that are part of the Omnisphere library are licensed for music production. Non-musical use should get additional clearance.

The specific non-musical use you described would not be a problem.

Enjoy! :-)

PS. Many sample-based hardware synths do come with license agreements now too. See all recent Roland synths for example.

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spectrum wrote:
Zero dB wrote:After months of anticipation I just excitedly received a FedEx delivery this morning of the Omnisphere package! :D

Cracked it open immediately but before I opened the envelope containing the DVDs I looked through the user manual and came across the licence agreement. On the surface it seems worryingly draconian compared with any licence agreement I've seen before for a VSTi or sound module... and I'm very concerned now.
Don't be. It's the identical license that thousands of sample libraries and sample-based instruments use.

We are just clearer about explaining what that type of license means.
My worry is that a lot of the work I do is creating music for production libraries (used by radio, TV, film etc) and often as well as supplying the fully mixed tracks I create mixouts and breakdowns so that the in-house producers at the stations can do their own edits, etc. I also create production elements and sound design and FX for radio and TV (whizzes and bangs, FX for sync etc), often created by heavily manipulating synths, creating new patches, heavily mangling the resulting audio, etc etc.

The licence agreement for Omnisphere seems to imply that this kind of work is breach of the licence. Does anyone know whether this is the case? If so that's extremely disappointing news and sadly there's going to be a lot of composers creating music for media who simply aren't going to be able to use the synth!
No worries. That's not the case at all. :-)

In fact, your use is very typical of many of our users.

Providing breakout mixes for a client is considered standard musical use.
Really I need some clarification on this before I can even install or try the instrument - I'd love to hear your thoughts Eric if possible. Thanks in advance for any insight.
Thanks for asking. Happy to help.

Install with confidence. :-)

spectrum
Spectrum!!

You get props from me, I knew your omni would allow what zeroDB needed to use it for.

and thanks for coming on this forum so many times and chiming in here and there.

also, everyone here should check out zircon's music. And he's really smart about the music biz!

-dw

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Eric - your reply has made my day!! I'm delighted I can go ahead and install the synth now and I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

That's great news; you're a gent.

Regards

ZdB

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jsaras wrote: On the 'down' side, although I have a modern PC (Q6600, 4 gigs of RAM, etc.) even the smallest patches always will exhibit a click or pop eventally regardless of the setting I've tried on the plugin.
Please contact techsupport about this with specifics please. That shouldn't be happening. It may just be a matter of tweaking the streaming settings on your system.

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Zero dB wrote:Eric - your reply has made my day!! I'm delighted I can go ahead and install the synth now and I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

That's great news; you're a gent.

Regards

ZdB
You got it.

All you need to do is to be careful to provide your stems and breakouts in some kind of a "mixed" format, so that it's not redistributing our work in a different medium. :-)

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OMNISPHERE does not run on a mac G5 meeting the system requirements as stated on their website.

there are glitches and clicks on even the simplets piano sound.

it simply does not function on the imac minimum stated required system at all.
rik

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topaz wrote: if Omni does not satisfy hard core tweakers, preset users, and working musicians and composers I have no idea what would.
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import of my own sounds would add a little...
:ud:

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