Tracktion Software

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:32 am

Still on T3 here and it seems it'll be like that in the near (or not so near future).
I don't have major complains nor stability issues. The only problems I have are

a) not so good multicore support for quads (see here for example http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 23#3269723)

b) some plugin combinations sometimes produce digital artifacts during playback and/or rendering. Don't know if this is T3's problem but I don't remember having something similar happening with T2

I've heard good things about Reaper's stability and efficiency so I took a look. One could probably work as fast as in T with Reaper but for me at least it'll take weeks of reading manuals, experimenting, practicing etc. and I don't feel like doing it at the moment

PS: oops, there is a c) too; I noticed that while exporting a project only one core works no matter what the setting. It's not a biggie but I don't understand why all 4 (or 2) cores can work happily during playback but only 1 during exporting.

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:37 am

What do you mean that Tracktion 3 is an orphan? Has it stopped being developed or something? That would be really stupid if that was the case cause it's the best allround music program going. Its probably time for an uptdate I suppose?

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:06 am

Rangtangtang wrote:What do you mean that Tracktion 3 is an orphan? Has it stopped being developed or something? That would be really stupid if that was the case cause it's the best allround music program going. Its probably time for an uptdate I suppose?

Welcome to the party, Rangtangtang!

If you have really missed all the hubbub, there are several threads here you might skim through for a background to why many of us feel that Tracktion is, in fact, orphaned. Hopefully we're wrong, but the signs in the sky are rather persuasive...

/Joey

yaz · Post by **yaz** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:35 am

12 pages of comments about Tracktion's (no-)future and still no news from Mackie... Doesn't seem good to me

I saw that Cakewalk will release a new version of Home Studio, I will give it a try.

jbafrombordeaux · Post by **jbafrombordeaux** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:09 pm

Well, I still hope for some word from Mackie, but well. That does not prevent me from recording music with Tracktion... I just love turning my pc into a 4-track (well, with many more tracks, right, but as easy to use as a portastudio) and none of the softwares I used till then had felt like this.
I have bought a reaper license, but don't use it, it's just too engineer-oriented for me. In tracktion, when something doesn't work the way I want it to, a few clicks on "end-to-end", "record" or anything solves the problem

So well, will use T3 as long as it's not completely out-of-date for my purposes, but would love to see this thing evolve and have a little 4, 5 or sx added to its name

Gabriel_S · Post by **Gabriel_S** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:23 pm

jbafrombordeaux wrote: I have bought a reaper license, but don't use it, it's just too engineer-oriented for me. In tracktion, when something doesn't work the way I want it to, a few clicks on "end-to-end", "record" or anything solves the problem

Reaper is just as easy to use as Traction but has MANY more features, updates every month at the minimum, MUCH more stable and is alive. The terminology is a bit different but that's about the extent of it. Took me 2 days to learn the program, not a big deal at all. Once I got used to it, well, it becomes a very addictive DAW to say the least

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:54 pm

Gabriel_S wrote:
jbafrombordeaux wrote: I have bought a reaper license, but don't use it, it's just too engineer-oriented for me. In tracktion, when something doesn't work the way I want it to, a few clicks on "end-to-end", "record" or anything solves the problem
Reaper is just as easy to use as Traction but has MANY more features, updates every month at the minimum, MUCH more stable and is alive. The terminology is a bit different but that's about the extent of it. Took me 2 days to learn the program, not a big deal at all. Once I got used to it, well, it becomes a very addictive DAW to say the least

one thing that scared me with Reaper was when I saw all my plugins as a raw list. I have them organized in folders and subfolders and Tracktion respects this hierarchy. Is it possible to have something similar in Reaper? (I admit I haven't tried to see if there's a solution to this 'issue')

warbug · Post by **warbug** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:02 pm

I am glad to see we have resorted to asking about reaper support questions in a thread about T3.

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:34 pm

I'm not a mod - don't even know if there is one for the RMS forum any longer, but let's keep the host war discussion where it belongs - in the hosts forum.

I'm really unhappy there's no word from Mackie. I've sent Beno a couple of e-mails in the last month - both with no replies.

It would be a shame if they dropped this product's development. They are shipping it with new hardware. I just recommended a Mackie ProFX8 USB mixer to someone because it came bundled with T3 and I know I can show them how to use it in an hour or so. I'll be using their voice-over tracks in some T2 projects.

The mixer was $229 at Sweetwater and that included the most basic version of T3.

I'll take the freebie T3 with that hardware over any other bundled DAW software any day.

-Scott

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:39 pm

warbug wrote:I am glad to see we have resorted to asking about reaper support questions in a thread about T3.

shhht, don't tell anyone but these 'naive' questions are specially chosen to underline the superiority of Tracktion compared to Reaper
(thus all other hosts if you know what I mean ...

)

@Scott: I saw your post just as I was about to post mine. I hope you don't consider this post as part of a host war. It's all in good spirit I suppose :wink

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:46 pm

zeoy wrote:
warbug wrote:I am glad to see we have resorted to asking about reaper support questions in a thread about T3.
shhht, don't tell anyone but these 'naive' questions are specially chosen to underline the superiority of Tracktion compared to Reaper
(thus all other hosts if you know what I mean ... )

@Scott: I saw your post just as I was about to post mine. I hope you don't consider this post as part of a host war. It's all in good spirit I suppose :wink

Well, I sort of piled on as well - it's hard to resist.

I can shoot out anyone using any software to get tracks down with my trusty T2.

But that's not what this thread is about - it's about the weird way in which Mackie is handling this.

Some have said that if they officially raise the white flag - then they admit defeat and make some angry.

Some have said 'just wait, it's being worked on in secret' - well it's been months since there was any official response from Mackie here or at their own forum. "Just Wait" holds less and less chance of being a worthwhile endeavor.

I'm even starting to get a little twitchy to look at potentially other solutions; and I swore fealty to Tracktion years ago as payment for quick ideas into and out of the machine that I simply couldn't do with other software.

I feel most sorry for those Mac owners who purchased big T3 packages. They really got screwed. They should get a refund.

-Scott

Gabriel_S · Post by **Gabriel_S** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:52 pm

rockstar_not wrote:
I'll take the freebie T3 with that hardware over any other bundled DAW software any day.

-Scott

To each their own I guess. Definitely not a host war just facts my friend. I'm perplexed at your statement. T3 is riddled and I'll say it again RIDDLED with bugs. I've lost more projects than I care to count since the release of T3. Good thing I make a lot of Archives !!!!

Last build to T3 was on Feb 04/08. WOW !!! Now that's progress. Mackie refuses to comment to our concerns. Yep great CS as well not to mention outstanding PR work ... lol. But if it makes you happy, that's all that counts I suppose.

As far as answering questions regarding Reaper? Hell why not. This forum and T3 have become as dead as dead gets. I now consider this an open forum for open discussion. Again we can thank the Mackie crew for this !!! So why not give all the frustrated folks here another option? Is it because you're so dedicated to a DEAD product that you find it offensive? A taboo? Does it seriously make me wrong to give other alternatives ?????

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:02 pm

zeoy wrote:
one thing that scared me with Reaper was when I saw all my plugins as a raw list. I have them organized in folders and subfolders and Tracktion respects this hierarchy. Is it possible to have something similar in Reaper? (I admit I haven't tried to see if there's a solution to this 'issue')

you can make custom folders in Reaper:

http://www.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Tu ... k_FX_Chain

c

tovokas · Post by **tovokas** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:42 pm

To each their own I guess. Definitely not a host war just facts my friend. I'm perplexed at your statement. T3 is riddled and I'll say it again RIDDLED with bugs. I've lost more projects than I care to count since the release of T3. Good thing I make a lot of Archives !!!!

OK, I agree nothing good comes out of host wars... but we're a mellow lot here, and what the heck, it's been pretty quiet lately...

I've previously commented that I own Reaper... I like Reaper... I've completed projects in Reaper. It's more efficient at low latencies than Tracktion, is frequently updated, is loaded with features, and has an incredibly active user community.

Saying that, I prefer Tracktion. For me, it's actually less buggy than Reaper, and the user experience is in a class of its own. I'm a songwriter/composer, I use Tracktion to write songs... for that purpose it is beautiful. I want it to live a long and fruitful life.

I've been disturbed enough by the recent 'cone of silence' that I've spent more time in Reaper lately, just in case I'll have to turn to it in the long term as my OS and hardware move on. Again, for what I do, it's not even close. Tracktion is a joy to use, Reaper get's the job done, but for me it's like using... well, PowerPoint. It works, and works well, I just don't enjoy the experience as much.

I'm sure I'd feel differently if I was having the stability issues some are having, but that just hasn't been my experience.

Neil G · Post by **Neil G** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:47 pm

ok ok so summing up this thread the PC peeps are happy, and dont care bout support,etc.. it works and that fine.

the mac heads just want a working product for god sakes or at least a word from mackie saying yes.. were working on it or no...go usee another host.

fricken simple really..

and just a note..lets say tomorrow T3.2 comes out and is awesome/works for the mac, etc....how long will it take mackie to address the new bugs? another year? no thanks.

i have a feeling there working on 4 and will force mac users to shell out for a working version of a broken product.

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