Is Tracktion now an orphan?

[Mr. Tingle]

If tracktion was still in development you would see a fix for the audio engine. There is something *without doubt* broken with the T3 audio engine when handling medium to large projects, it is effectively crippled at the moment forcing users with more than modest requirements to use *ANY OTHER* sequencer.

Only recently I was forced to move from tracktion 3 to Logic 8 in order to finish mixing an album. I have the most powerful laptop on the market (fully optomised on xp). Luckily logic 8 is ok and has no obvious flaws. I think you will find this has been a common story for a good few Tracktion users of late.

check out this thread for my own experience with the Tracktion audio engine and logic:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 01#3188701

[Scoops]

I use a program called Perfect Disc 8 by Raxco. I never heard before this post that defragging will harm a hard disc. Can anyone verify?

With all the changes and writing and files for music I do daily, my largest hard disc, a 750 gig WD gets pretty fragged after one day. At the week stage, it takes over three hours to defrag while a daily defrag takes about 10-20 minutes.

Is is worth it to defrag daily or do one long one weekly. I don't use Microsoft defragger because, everything is all well and good if you wait a day or three months.

Perfect disc is very nice. Please double-check that you don't have Microsoft's automatic defragging-while-idle feature enabled. Use microsoft's own tweakui (I forget which section the option is under).

If you're using two defrag engines (even unknowingly) one will position stuff in a way the other one doesn't think will work.
With NTFS I haven't seen any performance advantages to defragging on even a weekly basis.
If your hard drive is particularly chock-full of stuff, that's more of an issue. In which case, find a new hard drive.

But microsoft's own defrag engine is perfectly fine. I use it with the freeware JkDefrag, which automatically defrags all your hard drives using the built-in engine, but in a faster, more efficient way.

Perfect disc is good, but if you're accidentally running that and microsoft's, you're gonna get a a lot of unnecessary defragging going on.

But to answer your original question, running a defrag every day is read-writing nearly every part of the disc on a daily basis, so yes, you are inadvertently wearing out your hard drive faster than necessary.
Unless you're actually -noticing- problems (drop-outs, hard drive not being read fast enbough in tracktion etc) don't do it. And also, up the cache in tracktion to the full 150mb - I've found it helps with audio-heavy projects.

Thanks,
M@

I suppose I am going to have to disagree with some of this.

PD, unlike MS defragger does the pagefile. If you have your system setup to use the page file, then this is a real big deal. Also, PD is capable of understanding which files you use more than others, and as a result, when it does defrag, it arranges the files on the disk that is easier to access, therefore less wear.

So, I defrag nitely with PD! have been for a while.

-S

[metamorphosis]

Err... I never said perfectdisc wasn't better than MS's one...?
But Jkdefrag is equally good.
Defragging pagefile?
Sure, relevant if you don't have yours on it's own partition.
And yeah, defragging nightly is stupid - results in more wear, not less - having your files in an optimal positioning on your HD does not reduce wear, it only vaguelly increases performance, on a modern system.
Cheers,
m@

[flanneljammies]

Only recently I was forced to move from tracktion 3 to Logic 8 in order to finish mixing an album. I have the most powerful laptop on the market (fully optomised on xp). Luckily logic 8 is ok and has no obvious flaws.

How do you run Logic on an XP machine?

[thoshu]

Only recently I was forced to move from tracktion 3 to Logic 8 in order to finish mixing an album. I have the most powerful laptop on the market (fully optomised on xp). Luckily logic 8 is ok and has no obvious flaws.

How do you run Logic on an XP machine?

guess it's an 8-core-superMAc with intel inside running bootcamp and a vice-versa-os-bridge app allowing logic8 on pseudo-win!

[SuperFly76]

I use a program called Perfect Disc 8 by Raxco. I never heard before this post that defragging will harm a hard disc. Can anyone verify?

With all the changes and writing and files for music I do daily, my largest hard disc, a 750 gig WD gets pretty fragged after one day. At the week stage, it takes over three hours to defrag while a daily defrag takes about 10-20 minutes.

Is is worth it to defrag daily or do one long one weekly. I don't use Microsoft defragger because, everything is all well and good if you wait a day or three months.

Perfect disc is very nice. Please double-check that you don't have Microsoft's automatic defragging-while-idle feature enabled. Use microsoft's own tweakui (I forget which section the option is under).

If you're using two defrag engines (even unknowingly) one will position stuff in a way the other one doesn't think will work.
With NTFS I haven't seen any performance advantages to defragging on even a weekly basis.
If your hard drive is particularly chock-full of stuff, that's more of an issue. In which case, find a new hard drive.

But microsoft's own defrag engine is perfectly fine. I use it with the freeware JkDefrag, which automatically defrags all your hard drives using the built-in engine, but in a faster, more efficient way.

Perfect disc is good, but if you're accidentally running that and microsoft's, you're gonna get a a lot of unnecessary defragging going on.

But to answer your original question, running a defrag every day is read-writing nearly every part of the disc on a daily basis, so yes, you are inadvertently wearing out your hard drive faster than necessary.
Unless you're actually -noticing- problems (drop-outs, hard drive not being read fast enbough in tracktion etc) don't do it. And also, up the cache in tracktion to the full 150mb - I've found it helps with audio-heavy projects.

Thanks,
M@

I suppose I am going to have to disagree with some of this.

PD, unlike MS defragger does the pagefile. If you have your system setup to use the page file, then this is a real big deal. Also, PD is capable of understanding which files you use more than others, and as a result, when it does defrag, it arranges the files on the disk that is easier to access, therefore less wear.

So, I defrag nitely with PD! have been for a while.

-S

You could always use pagedefrag from Sysinternals (free) in conjunction with JKdefrag. This is what I do and it works nicely.

[metamorphosis]

Yes, +1 for pagedefrag.

[SuperFly76]

Yes, +1 for pagedefrag.

Another cool thing about pagedefrag is that it will also defrag the registry hive and some other things.

pagedefrag and jkdefrag are all I need for defragmentation duty!

[mojobone]

So, still no news from the Mackoids?

[valley]

So, still no news from the Mackoids?

One of these threads at a time! Especially don't resurrect a three month old thread when there's already a "what's going on" thread at the top of the forum.