Orange Tree Samples releases CoreBass: Cherry

[Aboensis]

Here's the manual: CoreGuitar - Strawberry - User's Guide

It will also be available on the product page for everyone to read.

Let me know what you think!

Thanks!

[Aboensis]

Just finished reading the manual which was very helpful and interesting, especially for a keyboard player who cannot really play the guitar . The instrument and scripting seems be made very well indeed!

[Gregjazz]

While I'm posting the product announcements... CoreGuitar Strawberry has been released!

http://www.orangetreesamples.com/index. ... roductId=5

[kingofthedogs]

And I haven't forgotten the free CoreBass loop library, either. I'm making progress on that as well.

So how is it going with that? I'm really looking forward to hear some of the loops. Imho that's what makes sample libraries the most useful for those who don't play an instrument and so don't have the feel for what that particular instrumentalist would play on a certain musical style. That's what I find ingenious about EZDrummer.

One other thing that lets me hesitate as to buying corebass is my experiences with other bass libraries that sounded great on demos playing vivid bass lines with a lot of melodic movement in it or something very rhythmic with a lot of breaks between notes - but when it comes to playing simple 8th note lines as necessary in most rock styles (like E-E-E-E-E-E-F#-G-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-...), they all suck. Theoretically, it *should* sound o.k. with your round robin programming, but I would really like to hear such a simple demo within the selection of the loop library (which otherwise hopefully covers different musical and playing styles...?) that you intended to put online as mp3 demos.

[morelia]

Yep, looking forward to this as well.

[Gregjazz]

And I haven't forgotten the free CoreBass loop library, either. I'm making progress on that as well.

So how is it going with that? I'm really looking forward to hear some of the loops. Imho that's what makes sample libraries the most useful for those who don't play an instrument and so don't have the feel for what that particular instrumentalist would play on a certain musical style. That's what I find ingenious about EZDrummer.

Thanks for the support. I've been creating a lot of different loops in various styles and genres. Any requests would also be appreciated!

One other thing that lets me hesitate as to buying corebass is my experiences with other bass libraries that sounded great on demos playing vivid bass lines with a lot of melodic movement in it or something very rhythmic with a lot of breaks between notes - but when it comes to playing simple 8th note lines as necessary in most rock styles (like E-E-E-E-E-E-F#-G-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-...), they all suck. Theoretically, it *should* sound o.k. with your round robin programming, but I would really like to hear such a simple demo within the selection of the loop library (which otherwise hopefully covers different musical and playing styles...?) that you intended to put online as mp3 demos.

I will select a few loops and post an audio clip online for you to hear, solo bass of course. I do have a few loops that emphasize repeated notes, like you mention, so I'll be sure and include those in the audio sample. Repeated notes are really important for not only rock and metal but also blues bass playing.

[morelia]

I've been creating a lot of different loops in various styles and genres. Any requests would also be appreciated!

This seems so simple as not worth mentioning. But I like a set of midi loops like this: A_quarter_notes, A_eighth_notes, B_quarter_notes.....etc.

[Gregjazz]

Here's a sample of the loops:

http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/loopdemo.mp3

[kingofthedogs]

Here's a sample of the loops:

http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/loopdemo.mp3

Hi Greg, thanks for the loop. I really like the dead notes in between the more rhythmical lines, which give it a lot of realism.

Unfortunately as a listener, one cannot tell how you received these results, especially with the straight lines. I got quite good results with other libraries when alternating the velocity a lot, which is quite time consuming. I would really like to hear how the round-robin-sampling in your "picked" library works out when just laying down a straight line of notes with even velocity. I don't want to ask too much, but I'd really appreciate if you could put up a file with a simple 4-bar line of 8hts, say a "classical" E-G-C-D with at least 1 bar of 8th notes for each, one slow, one faster (e.g. 80 bpm / 140 bpm), with 2 or three FIXED velocities (e.g. 70 / 100 / 127) - so 4-6 demo lines in total:
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
( - 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 70 )
( - 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 70 )
This is really what I am most interested in. When finishing a song, I'm most likely to alternate velocities, but to get things done fast and still have some feeling of realism, that is just the kind of demo I am interested in, and the one where I hope to find something in your work that others just can't deliver. I do think, though, that for this reason a lot of others would be interested too. Again, I'd really appreciate it if you found the time, knowing you're busy with your projects.

[Gregjazz]

Sure! Here is the audio file: http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/pickeighths.mp3

E, G, C, D in this order:

- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 70
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 70

[kingofthedogs]

Sure! Here is the audio file: http://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/pickeighths.mp3

E, G, C, D in this order:

- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
- 80 bpm / all notes with velocity 70
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 127
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 100
- 140 bpm / all notes with velocity 70

Hi Greg, it's late here and actually time to go to bed, but I couldn't resist to listen into the loop. Loaded it into the sequencer, because I had to hear it in tune (man, those deep C's all are about 25% on their way to a C#/Db... the D's are all too high as well, but not that bad), but that was no problem at all dialing in Antares Autotune (as a hopefully productive feedback: maybe you'll find time to re-record some of the deep notes, that could be important for all ambitious home-recordists who can't afford Autotune or Melodyne). Dialed in an UAudio LA2A and tried a version running it through an Ampsim. As far as I can tell from the quick listening, you just got yourself a new costumer. The notes do indeed sound all different, no "machine-gun-effect" at all. While I find some notes to "stick out" a bit, which makes the bass line sound not as continuous as I would like it to be for more "polished" productions, that is, on the other hand, just what you get if you want it to be realistic. And while there are some libraries with which noone would suspect the bass line to be programmed and sample-based in a thick arrangement, yours can imho fool anyone also in a more sparse arrangent. To me, it sounds really more like the "raw" material you get from a real bassist, which sometimes requires some further processing, but which has just the rough edges that make it distinguishable from a just too perfect, too "even" sound that provokes a "hey, that was done with a computer, wasn't it?" from people.
Another thing I noticed is that the tone development (the actual bass tone from the swinging strings that develops after the picking noise) sometimes sounds as if it develops quite slow. But that could be a wrong impression. For once, it's really late (thus also some words might be not as accurate, as my english gets worse with bedtime getting closer...), and second, I have not listened to it in a context of a rhythm section. I will try to add a drumline and test it again on sunday (I'll be out of town for a couple of days, but will tell you my opinion on the results here as soon as possible). Btw: When do you think the loop library will be ready and how will that be handled for earlier customers if you expand and develop it further?
As far as I can tell for now, this seems to be well worth the money even if you already have high quality bass libraries. Now I feel (tired and) bad cause I think I spent as much time writing this as actually listening to your loop... Thanks a lot for your effort with that!

[Gregjazz]

Btw: When do you think the loop library will be ready and how will that be handled for earlier customers if you expand and develop it further?

Finishing the loop library is next on my list after releasing the update for CoreGuitar (which I'm working on right now).

The loop library will be free for all existing and future customers. I'd imagine it will be something that expands and develops due to requests.

[kingofthedogs]

Btw: When do you think the loop library will be ready and how will that be handled for earlier customers if you expand and develop it further?

Finishing the loop library is next on my list after releasing the update for CoreGuitar (which I'm working on right now).

The loop library will be free for all existing and future customers. I'd imagine it will be something that expands and develops due to requests.

Hi Greg, listened into the loop with the 8th notes again, adding some drums, actually I have not much to add to my previous comments, as to what I perceive are the strenghts and minor weeknesses, and what would be an appropriate use for me. I just bought it, I am just downloading, and keen to try it out. Thanks for answering all questions. Glad to hear the loop library is in progress and will expand, and this being free of charge for existing users. That's what I needed to hear to make the final decision to buy it today. I am really looking forward to be able to use the midi loop library for some inspiration and less work for programming detail by being able to copy and adjust existing phrases that were optimized for that particular library.
Hope you will continue your work successfully with other libraries, too in the future.

[Gregjazz]

Thanks! Also feel free to contact me at any time if there is anything specific you'd like included in the loop library.

[PaulG]

Just a quick note, but the Picked Cherry Bass is the nicest sounding rock bass I've ever tried, not that I've tried all of them, but enough to have been jaded, thinking I'd have to buy an actual bass.