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susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:17 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Just three quick joints to solder (input positive, negative, then the ground) and done!

Envy !
That beats the Schaller Strat switch I fought lately - turned out somebody had put the wrong switch (the PRS style one) into the correct bag with the correct schematic, reducing my chances of a quick repair marginally.

Visually you can't distinguish the two ...
Cheers,
susiwong

pgvpgv333 · Post by **pgvpgv333** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:26 am

A little beside the subjct: I am just about to put Lundgren heaven 57 Pickup on my Ibanez RG 1570 in the bridge possion. Yhe reason is that I feel that the bridge and the neck pickup sounds very much the same. I have also already put a Lundgren heaven 57 on my Ibanez Ergodyne it is a neck pickup but I put it on the bridge. It gave a big diffrence as suspected on the sound. More open agressive. But that is a cheaper guitar to, but I love the neck and the action on that guitar.
So what do you think will happen on my 1570 I want a more les paul sound?

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:30 am

pgvpgv333 wrote: So what do you think will happen on my 1570 I want a more les paul sound?

Not sure. I think a big part of the LP sound is a) the used wood and b) the fixed bridge. The Ibanez has a FR-style trem, right? This might be a showstopper for authentic LP kinda sounds.

Cheers
Sascha

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:10 am

pgvpgv333 wrote:So what do you think will happen on my 1570 I want a more les paul sound?

I've tried a ton of different Dimarzio pickups in my RG540 and RG420 but none of them gave those guitars the sweetness, thickness, and midrange honk of my Les Paul Custom. My Prestige model (can't remember the model number off-hand) even has a flame maple top and mahogany yet its Tone Zone in the bridge doesn't it get anywhere close to sounding like my Les Paul, either. The Lundgren pickup could very well do a much better job of Les Paul-izing an Ibanez than the Dimarzio's could but I have to say I'm in agreement with Sascha that other factors might just make it an unattainable goal.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:37 pm

Hope the Lundgren will do the job fine.
If not I'd try Gibson Classic 57s, maybe a 57+ at the bridge. Very fine pickups, but due to the Alnico 2 magnets too mellow for many guitars, in the (rather bright) Ibanez they could be perfect. No F-spacing available, but I've seen several modded guitars where it worked fine nevertheless.
I particularly enjoy the 57s in Semis, wouldn't put them in an all mahogany LP for example.
Ymmv,
susiwong

pgvpgv333 · Post by **pgvpgv333** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:36 pm

I relize that I wont get the real LP sound, but that is not what i am after. More some thing in that direction, also as I said before a diffrent sound from the neck pickup. Thanks for your insigths, guys.

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:50 pm

I've been using Lace Sensor golds in my strat for years. I'd hardly call the tone clinical. Mellow acoustical is more like it.

What would be a nice approach to noiseless single coils is something that is used on Dave Bunkers touch guitar. He has a contact that connects to the string from the bridge which activates the tone when the string is excited and deactivates when the string is not vibrating (sort of the revers of the way pickups actually work) Thus you have a hummless single coil.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:48 pm

pgvpgv333 wrote:I relize that I wont get the real LP sound, but that is not what i am after. More some thing in that direction, also as I said before a diffrent sound from the neck pickup. Thanks for your insigths, guys.

Please report back whatever you discover!

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:56 pm

The reason I like noiseless PUs is not to have silence when I'm not playing, every noise gate can take care of that.
The problem is the noise that messes with your tone WHILE your playing, giving you all kinds of ugly interference, getting worse the more you use distortion or compression.
Ideally noise should be avoided in the first place
The best devices I've found yet for suppressing noise that's already there is Rocktron's Hush 2000 and, even slightly better, Behringer's SNR-2000, which both use sweeping filters dependent on harmonic content, in addition to a downward expander.
Both can do a pretty decent job but are far from perfect.
Coupled with a noiseprint based section they would rock, TC's amp sim on the Powercore has got a pretty impressive NR roughly along those lines, sadly not available in native format or standalone.
Ymmv,
susiwong

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:00 pm

Have been thinking for a long time of replacing the pickups on my Tele and have had the Fender Vintage Noiseless in mind. No reason other than the fact that I've got far better feedback on them than anything else. I've been warned off the SCN though as they're said to just make a Tele sound nothing like a Tele.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:09 pm

Have them in two 3-pickup Teles and really like them.
They're a bit more polished sounding than really great SCs, in a pleasant way.
Talking about country, blues, classic rock.
Or else you could try Kinmans.
Cheers,
susiwong

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:14 pm

you could also bang a tremolno in thier on the Ibanez (bit like what that big chucky guy Mick Thomson from Slipknot does called the 'Fixed Edge bridge'!). I love floyd style trems for palm-muting (which is the foundation of everything i play practically!) as they give me a sort nice bounce like feel (cant put it words!) yet i rarely use the arm and alot of the time have it left off. I think you will have the most luck using the Neck bucker and also i recommend swapping out the 500K ohm tone pot for a strat like 250K ohm pot which will allow you a tad more brightness on the neck pickup but the downside is the bridge position will be overly bright with the tone full on. I guess its just about finding the right compromise

Dean

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:16 pm

robojam wrote:I've been warned off the SCN though as they're said to just make a Tele sound nothing like a Tele.

That's ultimately the problem! As susiwong said, the various iterations of Fender noiseless pickups can sound very, very cool in their own way (this is true of the SCN's and Lace Sensor Gold's, as well) but its a different sound from what you're used to. I finally gave up and left standard single coils in mine since I never use it for high gain stuff, anyway.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:20 pm

NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:you could also bang a tremolno in thier on the Ibanez (bit like what that big chucky guy Mick Thomson from Slipknot does called the 'Fixed Edge bridge'!).

My RG420 has had its bridge "fixed" but I didn't notice it change the sound all that much.

I think you will have the most luck using the Neck bucker and also i recommend swapping out the 500K ohm tone pot for a strat like 250K ohm pot which will allow you a tad more brightness on the neck pickup but the downside is the bridge position will be overly bright with the tone full on.

Wouldn't the opposite happen? I thought you're suppose to put in a 1 Meg pot to open the guitar up like that.

ew · Post by ew » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:22 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:
pgvpgv333 wrote: So what do you think will happen on my 1570 I want a more les paul sound?
Not sure. I think a big part of the LP sound is a) the used wood and b) the fixed bridge. The Ibanez has a FR-style trem, right? This might be a showstopper for authentic LP kinda sounds.

Cheers
Sascha

Add to that the scale length. Scale length makes a big difference, both in clarity (a 25 1/2" scale guitar's going to have a more precise sound) and in tone (due to the location of the pickups). 22 vs 24 fret necks are also a factor- once again due to pickup placement.

ew

Noiseless "singlecoils"