Sugar Bytes released Consequence!

[mbncp]

Hi, sending MIDI on certain channels is not possible with the
vst plugin specification unfortunately. Otherwise we would have implemented that.

best,
Rico

Sending MIDI on different ports is not supported, but you can send any vstmidievent to any of the 16 channels.

VstMidiEvent::midiData[0] = 0xB0 ' CC on channel 1
...
VstMidiEvent::midiData[0] = 0xBF ' CC on channel 16

[Sugar Bytes]

Which host are you using?

Cubase and Live do not support selecting the receive-channel
for a vst plugin. In Live you can create a miditrack to route
midi to a certain channel, but you cannot select from which channel
that midi should come from. When you insert a plugin, you can only select the plugin in the "Midi from" section, but you cannot select midi channels.


Cubase does not support midi channel selection when sending midi between plugins at all.

So from our point of view, we can implement it, but it will not work
in major hosts.

best
Rico

[mbncp]

Which host are you using?

Cubase and Live do not support selecting the receive-channel
for a vst plugin. In Live you can create a miditrack to route
midi to a certain channel, but you cannot select from which channel
that midi should come from. When you insert a plugin, you can only select the plugin in the "Midi from" section, but you cannot select midi channels.


Cubase does not support midi channel selection when sending midi between plugins at all.

So from our point of view, we can implement it, but it will not work
in major hosts.

best
Rico

Using mainly bidule and reaper (though I have cubase4, sonar7, kore2, ext, live lite,...)
In cubase you just need to add a channel filter (input transformer, local), there are already presets for channel 1-16.
I don't know about live, but I guess you could always add some channel filter plug.
In Sonar I think you can select by channel.

Then for host not supporting midi out or channel filtering you could always use a subhost like ext,bidule,kore, ..

So instead of loading an internal instrument, create a midi out module with the ability to set the output channel. I would probably use 2-4 instances (6-12 channels) of consequence and send the whole midi to an instance of kore or bidule. Makes it also much easier to recall a preset.
Off course, with most major host you could just send each channel on a different track.

[Sugar Bytes]

Ok, we are discussing solutions at the moment.
It seems like each of the 3 instruments could have an own midi setup dialogue.
But I can't promise anything right now since we don't want to overload Consequence with features that simply dont work for most users and so
will create more questions than answers.

best
Rico

[K705]

Maybe a "record to midi file"-option for later import of channel-separated results could be a compromise.

[mbncp]

Ok, we are discussing solutions at the moment.
It seems like each of the 3 instruments could have an own midi setup dialogue.
But I can't promise anything right now since we don't want to overload Consequence with features that simply dont work for most users and so
will create more questions than answers.

best
Rico

For me it's a bit the synth part that overloads consequence

Now I can understand that it would be probably more difficult to release a MIDI only plug as it requires some work to setup the other synths, not exactly preset junkies heavens.
But having a good MIDI implementation would add a lot of value to Consequence, the sound of MIDI never gets outdated, it can only get better

[Armarna]

Hi Rico,
just tried the new demo (live 7, macbook pro 2.2 Ghz intel core 2 duo, 3 GB of ram, OS 10.4.11), and I still have the same cpu overload issue as for the first demo version. The midi out works well on the vst version, but I still have the CPU going in the red with too many audio drop outs, even if I increase the buffer settings to the maximum values, use the app with a light patch, etc...
But from the very little I could hear between the gaps, you have made a wonderfull creative tool ! Sorry for my impatience, this tool is so promising.
Anyone here had the same processor issues ?

Tried it on a Vista 32X, 3GB ram, 2.0 Ghz, Intel Core 2 Duo within FL Studio 8 and it didn't even process sound and sky rocketed the CPU. Tried it on the XP and it lagged and lacked sound as well. Great VST from what I see but needs alot of work in the optimization department.

[Sugar Bytes]

Hi,

at which bpm was the song running when you tried Consequence?
We heard that such issues only appear when you're around 300 bpm.

Best
Rico

[Armarna]

Hi,

at which bpm was the song running when you tried Consequence?
We heard that such issues only appear when you're around 300 bpm.

Best
Rico

85bpm and it would play with no sound feedback. Tried multiple times and just wanted to play a simple sequences of notes. Unfortunate. Closed programs for audio production as computer works with all other audio software components.

[doji2]

First of all, I'd like to congratulate you on producing such an impressive and innovative piece of software. This is one of the best plug-ins I've seen in a very long time!

I had a play with the demo at a friend's house last night, and there are only two things holding me back from buying this great software.

My first problem is with midi, but with a quick glance through this forum, it seams like you are already working on this. So rather than add to the list of troubles, I'll try and offer a solution. I'm not sure how easy this would be to implement, but if you're familiar with Logic pros' Ultrabeat plug-in, then you'll be aware of the function that lets you drag the midi sequence from Ultrabeat into a midi track on the arrange page. As I said, I'm not sure how difficult this would be to realize, but having the ability to just drag and drop the midi from each individual consequence instrument, would be amazing! It would also give me the opportunity to edit the midi with piano roll, which would make me very happy indeed!
My second problem is with the stereo output. Have you got any plans for implementing individual outs for each instrument?

Thanks.

[Sugar Bytes]

Hi,

>> my first problem is with midi, but with a quick glance through this forum, it seams like you are already working on this.

We are working on a solution, the next update should make it possible to send midi with Consequence in Logic. Then you can record midi from Consequence.

>> My second problem is with the stereo output. Have you got any plans for implementing individual outs for each instrument?

The instruments are mixed together before they reach the filter unit.
So single outputs would only output the pure instrument sounds, without filter and effects...we'll think about it.

best
Rico

[madmanmoon]

just downloaded the demo this afternoon.

this is the best software step sequencer/arpeggiator i've ever seen.

and goodness knows i've tried lots of them.

moon

[geever]

Absolutely a Great plug in..

after reading this thread i got most of the answers i needed but 2 QUESTIONS

how do i run this on logic 8 (i want to midi sends to trigger other synths)?

and is there a MIDI Drag/dump (similar to what i drum has where you can drag your midi in to your DAW) ? and IF not are there plans to get this feature implemented. (how cool would it be to have a option like that)

im actually ready to make this purchase and would love to get an answer to these two questions id possible

cheers

[Sugar Bytes]

Hi,

sending MIDI from a plugin is not possible in Logic, since
the AudioUnit spec does not allow that. If you run Ableton Live as
a rewire slave, you can do it in Live using the Consequence VST plugin.

You could also use any VST-compatible subhost like Kore for example.

You can record the Midi that comes from Consequence, just hit record in the MIDI track that has Consequence set as Midi Input.

We have a video on Youtube where you can see how to connect the a Midi track
to Consequence in Ableton Live:

Best regards
Rico

[topaz]

Live doesn't run plugins in rewire slave mode.

Hi,

run Ableton Live as
a rewire slave, you can do it in Live using the Consequence VST plugin.