Can! Not! Re! Sist!

[bM3w]

"We cannot reproduce that here!"

Naaahh, that's directly taken from the Cubase forum

[T1mur]

... sorry, double post...

[xyzt]

Just make them rock solid!
And intuitive

[justin3am]

Take your time, I'd much prefer for you to enjoy the holidays than finish the suite under such pressure.

I'm sure that these will be dope when they are finished (even unfinished they are pretty amazing).

[Urs]

Urgs, sorry for having asked for the mono thingy in Live.

Nah, it's not that. Live keeps all 8 channels connected so that Uhbik constantly thinks it's in surround mode. Which screws up the panning in Uhbik-D. The panning fo taps will make the audio "disappear" in the channels beyond the second. To save myself a hundred of emails from upset customers (and because Ableton won't accept invoices from me), Uhbiks will start in pure stereo mode by default. Which is based on those selectable channel layouts I had planned to implement anyway - just not right now.

Urs

[T1mur]

Urgs, sorry for having asked for the mono thingy in Live.

Nah, it's not that.

I didn't exactly think it's that, but I thought: Uhoh, now after my request about Live he took a look at the program and discovered something ugly.

Live keeps all 8 channels connected so that Uhbik constantly thinks it's in surround mode.

It's well possible that this is not a bug but a feature of Live. It may keep all connections running in order to let you fiddle with them during playback without drop outs.

To save myself a hundred of emails from upset customers (and because Ableton won't accept invoices from me),

I don't understand the "wont accept invoices from me" part?! Eventhough I just got banned from their forum my experience with Ableton is that they are generally friendly and willing to help. So even if you may not be a registered customer I'd expect them to be willing to sort these things out.

Not over the x-mas holidays though and if it's some complex matter it may take months until anything happens. Ableton seemingly lacks resources, but don't like admitting that publically (but do so occassionally).

[xyzt]

Urgs, sorry for having asked for the mono thingy in Live.

Nah, it's not that. Live keeps all 8 channels connected so that Uhbik constantly thinks it's in surround mode. Which screws up the panning in Uhbik-D. The panning fo taps will make the audio "disappear" in the channels beyond the second. To save myself a hundred of emails from upset customers (and because Ableton won't accept invoices from me), Uhbiks will start in pure stereo mode by default. Which is based on those selectable channel layouts I had planned to implement anyway - just not right now.

Urs

In live you can use the routing hub (between the mixer and the scenes) to route plug-in (multi)out to a new channel. Is this why live keeps them active? it could be a nice feature, you could tread every delayline with other plugins, wicked. Or am I wrong?

xyzt

[Urs]

Well, indeed it *could* be a nice feature. I wouldn't mind that - if everybody was aware of it. But as it is now, pretty much 95% of users would think that it's a bug in Uhbik.

The problem is though, the input configuration is set to 8 channels even though only stereo comes in. Thus it's a bug. The same goes for the output configuration. The output configuration should be changed if another connection is made, but they shouldn't leave all channels open even when nothing can be heard.

My comment about invoices is not about Ableton, but about the stress that a "feature" like this puts on me. Just like Apple's hilarious move to beta-style Carbon windows nested in Cocoa windows, which has probably caused me hundreds of emails and at least a month of manpower (and there's still a bug in the system and/or the documentation). Whenever hosts act weird in such a way, it's *us* who loose time and money (to be fair, it happens the other way round too).

Due to that I rather release in January with a Live-proof build than bring a flood of support emails on me.

I'll work another couple of hours now and see where it gets (most of the work is done, but I have to visualize and test it thoroughly). But if I can't make it in 4 hours, it won't be there before after holidays...

Urs

[T1mur]

Whenever hosts act weird in such a way, it's *us* who loose time and money (to be fair, it happens the other way round too).

Absolutely agree (and Live act weird or at least "unexpected" in alot of ways). What I despise most about these situation is lack of documentation, even if it's a simple Readme.

Probably it would be alot wiser to release after the holidays anyway. I remember when Ableton released Live 7 shortly before the holidays and then send everyone to their well deserved vacation. People were left without support for a product that was not finished to be released and internet payment/download that didn't work properly.

I don't say it would happen with you the same way, but most likely you would still be getting heaps of mails/support requests and have your holidays wasted.

Take your time, take your vacation and release in January. We power-users already have plenty to play with thanks to the public beta release.

[xyzt]

Well, indeed it *could* be a nice feature. I wouldn't mind that - if everybody was aware of it. But as it is now, pretty much 95% of users would think that it's a bug in Uhbik.

Urs

Cool, I understand your angle, but if I understand it right, the possibly of multi out in ableton live will be "selectable"

Will this multi out routing also be available in Uhbik-X, in other words could you route delayline 1/2 to and runciter 3/4 to a flanger, etc.

As you can see I can't wait for all this goodness to happen, but don't mind me (us) Make them the best and the most bug free possible.

Ok, I'll lay low now so you can work...

Gute weihnachten!!!

[Urs]

Yo,

The idea here is that you can operate Uhbiks just like you can now, but you can also "enforce" certain channel layouts. For instance you can spare the center and lfe channels, or render only channels 5+6 as stereo.

You don't need X for selective multi-stereo processing, you can just cascade a bunch of Uhbiks on the same track and tell each to operate on another channel pair.

This option will be available for X aswell, but it won't necessarily happen *inside* X, between each module. I have however planned additional Uhbiks that let you reconnect channels as you like. I don't know yet when or what, it would merely be an auxiliary add-on.

On a positive side: Almost all work is done now, I think we might be able to do testing over the holidays (but there sure will be more bugs).

Urs

[FragileX]

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On a positive side: Almost all work is done now, I think we might be able to do testing over the holidays (but there sure will be more bugs).

Urs

Sounds good
Have nice holidays and thanx for the hard work.

PS: I don't think we really fear bugs here at KVR

[blakflag]

Yo,

The idea here is that you can operate Uhbiks just like you can now, but you can also "enforce" certain channel layouts. For instance you can spare the center and lfe channels, or render only channels 5+6 as stereo.

You don't need X for selective multi-stereo processing, you can just cascade a bunch of Uhbiks on the same track and tell each to operate on another channel pair.

This option will be available for X aswell, but it won't necessarily happen *inside* X, between each module. I have however planned additional Uhbiks that let you reconnect channels as you like. I don't know yet when or what, it would merely be an auxiliary add-on.

On a positive side: Almost all work is done now, I think we might be able to do testing over the holidays (but there sure will be more bugs).

Urs

This new feature sounds like an incredibly valuable one anyway, so although it sucks to have to implement it under pressure, it will be a huge plus for the level of surround flexibility Uhbik brings. Cant wait!

PS One thing I noticed when working with Uhbik-D in Surround mode was that I really didn't know where on the Pan knob I was, when I had multi-outs hooked up. I knew that somewhere to the left of center was front-left, but I did not know how far. Perhaps some sort of subtle graphic overlay could be added to show where the channels lie on the Pan controls when in multi-output configuration? Not a critical feature but just an idea. Or maybe just a picture in the manual would be enough.

[Urs]

Or maybe just a picture in the manual would be enough.

Will do! The manual currently covers only the sheer functionality though. UI elements are not yet explained in detail, we'll do that early next yer!

[elxsound]

Hey Urs,

I just picked up a license, thanks to a generous Santa this year...

Anyways, I wanted to know if there is a way to create categories for presets. I've created several different ones that are specifically for drums, and others for synths and guitar.

If this is not possible, please add this to the feature wish-list.

Otherwise, I truly love the sound out of these and love how each patch saved can be described, which is great for future use.

Thank you and hope you're enjoying the holidays!

Cheers!