V-Machine

[Aulis]

I installed Pianissimo on my V, but the CPU load was too high that you only could play 4-5 notes.

These piano plugins are way too heavy for the V-Machine.

I'm reading about the piano plugs choking the V's engine. I know many of the realistic sounding plugs are tough CPU hogs. OK, I'm not in that urgent need for a piano in my V, as I have decent ones in my Nord Electro and Kurzweil PC88, but I want to run some commercial plugs like NI Pro-53, Absynth and some of the plugins from Rob Papens.
I managed to get the demo version of BLUE running in my V but most of the presets in BLUE get the CPU meter in the V run to top and jam the V if more than two keys are used! Is his really all the V can perform - or do I have a problem with my V-machine? (I run the ..1219 version)
BTW - I noticed that most of the Wizard files on SM Pro's web are demos or limited versions. How come, isn't the V ready for some 'real stuff'?

Best regards
Aulis G

[VFXAU]

BTW - I noticed that most of the Wizard files on SM Pro's web are demos or limited versions. How come, isn't the V ready for some 'real stuff'?

Best regards
Aulis G

Most of these are Hardware Authentication (where the serial number is generated by the hardware device). The new firmware revision will have some special functions which allow you to do this remotely via the usb cable, first one is IK, so you will be able to run all the IK software and authorise it.

The other plugs may use ILOK or SYNCROSOFT USB dongles, SYNCROSOFT is the first one which will be supported shortly.

[Nitrofunk]

When will the new Firmware be out? Are there any Plans for a "Ivory"-Support/Wizardfile?
Peter

[Paulustus]

Hello!

I just got Samplelord (80 Bugs) and it works perfectely! It's really worth it's price! Wizard File is automaticely created importing the plug in. All Soundfiles should be in the directory P:\Samplelord, so you have to manually rename the Channel-Files.

Paulustus!

[mäxchen]

hello paulustus,

how big are your sample libraries? i have some sampletekk piano libraris >1GB. do you use such big libraries?
max

[bencrossman]

4Front Truepiano works on the V-machine and sounds amazing (just turn off the sustain resonance otherwise it will choke)

[PX5]

4Front Truepiano works on the V-machine and sounds amazing (just turn off the sustain resonance otherwise it will choke)

That sounds great, I hardly can believe it (reading the the last posts).
Can you explain how you fixed that?
Do you run the plugins from your USB stick?

Best regards,
Marco

[mäxchen]

hello bencrossman,

i am interested too how to install truepiano on te v-machine. i mean the the full version, not the demo

max

[AzureCrystal]

4Front Truepiano works on the V-machine and sounds amazing (just turn off the sustain resonance otherwise it will choke)

Do you mean the version that comes bundled with the V-Machine ??

Can't be that one, I tried it and it's really bad, sounds like only one or two velocity layers on there, even if you barely touch the keys you get the very loud samples, maybe that was a demo or a lite version, but IMHO the one with the unit is not good enough for dynamic piano playing...

[Nitrofunk]

Hi!
I've formatted my Harddrive in order to do a new Windows-Install, and after having installed my VFX-Software I can't find the "Banks/Plugins"-Folder anymore. Where are they? What is their exact directory? And how can I delete Plugins within the VFX-Software?
Regards
Peter

P.S.: Did anybody try William Coakleys Perfect Pianos with the V-Machine?

[EvilDragon]

I think that if Pianoteq isn't able to run well on V-Machine, it's really a big deal. Pianoteq is currently the best modelled piano on the market, surpassing anything sample-related, at least when it comes to playability and lushness of sustain and harp resonance. It just feels alive, and there are many musicians who want to take it on the road.

SM's mistake was to skimp on a CPU in the times when dualcore CPUs are really affordable, and when 1 GB of DDR2 RAM is something like 17$. That's really really cheap. We could have had a great machine that runs all possible plugins with no problems whatsoever (2 GHz Intel Core2Duo and 2 GB DDR2 RAM is what I have on my PC, and it gives me 192 poly in Pianoteq no problem, 8 poly with Minimonsta (AND THAT'S PHAT!), 128 poly in Korg M1 and Wavestation... that rocks.) but the decision to skimp on those vital parts is what made V-Machine a solution that (currently) plays well only low-cpu VSTs. So a CPU upgrade (preferably to dualcore) is not wanted, it's NEEDED in today's time. Shelling out 3x more money to get a V-Rack might solve the problem, but isn't exactly what most people need to get their virtual piano (or M1, or Absynth, or whatever) on the road. Most of those people wouldn't use the 8in/8out possibility of V-Rack, myself included.

So, to wish SM Audio best of luck - I recommend a CPU upgrade FAST, and to a good CPU that will let you run Pianoteq with at most 128 poly with all resonances and reverb (that's enough for most stuff) and 2 GB RAM to load more samples. That would be neat, I would pay more just to get those things. But not in the V-Rack price range, which is currently too high for me.

That being said, here's the list of plugins I'd like to see on V-Machine working:

Stillwell Audio OLGA (a bitchin' synth)
AlgoMusic StringSynth (shouldn't be a problem)
Korg Legacy Collection Digital
Pianoteq 2.3 with all add-ons, and all next versions too, as it's constantly improved
Terratec Komplexer
rgc:audio z3ta+
Rob Papen Albino 3
GForce minimonsta
GForce impOSCar
NI Absynth, B4-II (I heard someone did it - how well does it run?), Pro-53, FM-8

That's about it for now.

Oh, there's also one wish software-wise. From ZioKiller's video, I really, really don't like the time needed to load VB3, as it isn't a sample-based instrument, it should load really fast. A couple of seconds of wait just isn't gonna cut it in live use. Suggestion: LIVE mode for V-Machine, in which, depending on available RAM, as one patch is played, the next one is being loaded in RAM in advance, so that when the next patch is switched, the plugins are all ready to go. I think that this would save a lot of problems. But, I think that this would mostly be good for non-sample based instruments, because sample-based usually do take some time to fill out the RAM. And here's where those 2 GBs of RAM would REALLY come in handy - preloading the next sample-based preset while playing one already.

Think about it, I want to know people's opinions, as I think it's a really good idea.

That being said, I'm new here, and I registered solely for the purpose of talking about V-Machine. Cheers!

[VFXAU]

Hi!
I've formatted my Harddrive in order to do a new Windows-Install, and after having installed my VFX-Software I can't find the "Banks/Plugins"-Folder anymore. Where are they? What is their exact directory? And how can I delete Plugins within the VFX-Software?
Regards
Peter

P.S.: Did anybody try William Coakleys Perfect Pianos with the V-Machine?

Hi,
Are you running XP or VISTA,
It is under APPLICATION DATA / VFX folder, but normally APPLICATION DATA folder is hidden so you have to make sure that you can view Hidden files.

In future for support please setup a support ticket on the smproaudio website it will be quicker.

[VFXAU]

I think that if Pianoteq isn't able to run well on V-Machine, it's really a big deal. Pianoteq is currently the best modelled piano on the market, surpassing anything sample-related, at least when it comes to playability and lushness of sustain and harp resonance. It just feels alive, and there are many musicians who want to take it on the road.

SM's mistake was to skimp on a CPU in the times when dualcore CPUs are really affordable, and when 1 GB of DDR2 RAM is something like 17$. That's really really cheap. We could have had a great machine that runs all possible plugins with no problems whatsoever (2 GHz Intel Core2Duo and 2 GB DDR2 RAM is what I have on my PC, and it gives me 192 poly in Pianoteq no problem, 8 poly with Minimonsta (AND THAT'S PHAT!), 128 poly in Korg M1 and Wavestation... that rocks.) but the decision to skimp on those vital parts is what made V-Machine a solution that (currently) plays well only low-cpu VSTs. So a CPU upgrade (preferably to dualcore) is not wanted, it's NEEDED in today's time. Shelling out 3x more money to get a V-Rack might solve the problem, but isn't exactly what most people need to get their virtual piano (or M1, or Absynth, or whatever) on the road. Most of those people wouldn't use the 8in/8out possibility of V-Rack, myself included.

So, to wish SM Audio best of luck - I recommend a CPU upgrade FAST, and to a good CPU that will let you run Pianoteq with at most 128 poly with all resonances and reverb (that's enough for most stuff) and 2 GB RAM to load more samples. That would be neat, I would pay more just to get those things. But not in the V-Rack price range, which is currently too high for me.

That being said, here's the list of plugins I'd like to see on V-Machine working:

Stillwell Audio OLGA (a bitchin' synth)
AlgoMusic StringSynth (shouldn't be a problem)
Korg Legacy Collection Digital
Pianoteq 2.3 with all add-ons, and all next versions too, as it's constantly improved
Terratec Komplexer
rgc:audio z3ta+
Rob Papen Albino 3
GForce minimonsta
GForce impOSCar
NI Absynth, B4-II (I heard someone did it - how well does it run?), Pro-53, FM-8

That's about it for now.

Oh, there's also one wish software-wise. From ZioKiller's video, I really, really don't like the time needed to load VB3, as it isn't a sample-based instrument, it should load really fast. A couple of seconds of wait just isn't gonna cut it in live use. Suggestion: LIVE mode for V-Machine, in which, depending on available RAM, as one patch is played, the next one is being loaded in RAM in advance, so that when the next patch is switched, the plugins are all ready to go. I think that this would save a lot of problems. But, I think that this would mostly be good for non-sample based instruments, because sample-based usually do take some time to fill out the RAM. And here's where those 2 GBs of RAM would REALLY come in handy - preloading the next sample-based preset while playing one already.

Think about it, I want to know people's opinions, as I think it's a really good idea.

That being said, I'm new here, and I registered solely for the purpose of talking about V-Machine. Cheers!

I am not sure if you read the thread back 20 pages or so, but please don't compare the V-Machine to a PC, I know we all do (also I do) because that is what we know but the way it works, it needs allot less grunt to do what it does. Anyway, please if you can go thru the thread, sure I agree the more the better. B4 Works like a dream

[EvilDragon]

I have read the whole topic. It took me some hours.

I'm really overwhelmed by the idea behind the V-Machine, but really, it could have been better, waaaay better with a dualcore CPU and more RAM. This way, some of the most useful plugins (for me, Pianoteq - and I refuse to use any substitutes!) can't be made to work as I (and most other users) wish them to be. It's really a letdown for me, in a way. I'm not saying that I won't buy it because of this, but I won't buy it until it gets improved with better specs. Even if I have to wait until V-Machine 2.0 gets out (with better hardware, I guess), I'm willing to wait. V-Rack is price-wise too much for me, and I don't need that many ins and outs. Also, I like that V-Machine uses a solidstate drive, they are faster and more instant, but why over IDE bus? T_T another flop in the SATA times like today.

I don't intend to be mean to you guys, VFXAU you do a wonderful job here helping out people, I'm just saying that I'm kind of disappointed with what it turned out to be.

I know V-Machine doesn't need as much "grunt" to do what it does comparing it to a real PC, but, hell, if you're marketing it as being able to run 21 VST(i)s at once, the CPU should be able to cope with that. Otherwise that's just false claim. Sure, I can make it run 21 VSTs at once, but how will that sound, even God can't know XD

Bottom line - make it work with Pianoteq. FLAWLESSLY. At 128 poly. Then you have another buyer.

Also, I would like to know what do you think about the predictive plugin loading idea.

[ZioKiller]

a CPU upgrade (preferably to dualcore) is not wanted, it's NEEDED in today's time.

+1

Please, please, please...