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oliv928 · Post by **oliv928** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:15 pm

hi,
I was looking for years about the nicest software for musician, and I think Mulab is the beginning of this. A few years ago i was using a little bit Muzys which I liked very much.

modular view : great !
rack system with routing : genius !
automation : so simple, so suitable ( as regards eXT2 ).
audio rec and preocessing : i did not try yet, but will do soon.

What i can say from now is : Mulab is a software for musicians : performers, composers, ... when cubase and sonar are "plants for sound engineers" ... to much strips in the mixer, etc ...

The only aspect i would like Mulab to be developed is :

Tools for musicians like :

score edit : PLEASE !!!
markers
lyrics line and edit, chords line and edit
chord grid view : look at PGMusic Powertrack
chord recognition things : look at sonar 7 one ( with bigger display ). anyway we can use allthatchord linked with MidiYoke.
harmonization things : look at NTONYX softs.
keyboard lightning display

It has been years since I was looking for these functions as VSTs, but it seems it doesnt exist, except NTONYX plugins.

Can we use MFX plugins on Mulab ? I will try some soon
Can we use eXT plugs on Mulab ? (Nickfit, asseca, ...). Some of them are good.

Concerning some small editing features, these are excellent:

Right clic on track edit or composer view makes the display to move up,down,right,left : this is done on eXT2 and is brilliant.

clic on the bottom bar on track edit or composer view makes the display zoom +/- : this is brilliant on some daw : acid I think

One more time : congrats Jo !!!
Very nice job !! mulab is now the good son of muzys.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:26 am

oliv928 wrote: score edit : PLEASE !!!

To be honnest: It's not on the whishlist, and there are no such plans.

Reason is simple: A quality score editor is a very big job because there are soo many aspects! And such extra workload is beyond MUTOOLS' resources.

I would recommend to combine MU.LAB with an existing score editor package.

Not sure how to let them work together though.

Does anyone has experience with combining MU.LAB with a 'external' score editor?

Now i'm brainstorming a bit: Instead of integrating a full score editor in MU.LAB, i would rather invest dev-time in developing a good 'bridge' between MU.LAB and an external score editor, a bit like the way you can use an exteranl audio editor in MU.LAB to edit audio files.

markers

Where do you want markers?

lyrics line and edit, chords line and edit
chord grid view : look at PGMusic Powertrack
chord recognition things : look at sonar 7 one ( with bigger display ). anyway we can use allthatchord linked with MidiYoke.
harmonization things : look at NTONYX softs.

I saw that JMT Orchestrator is an MFX plugin.

Supporting MFX plugins is on the MU.LAB whishlist.

keyboard lightning display

How do you mean?

Can you please elaborate.

Right clic on track edit or composer view makes the display to move up,down,right,left : this is done on eXT2 and is brilliant.

Yes, something like this will be implemented.

clic on the bottom bar on track edit or composer view makes the display zoom +/- : this is brilliant on some daw : acid I think

Can you please describe this in more detail.

Thanks.

Chrisma · Post by **Chrisma** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:51 am

Markers:

in the time and (bars and time)

and what would push Mulab out-front is the ability to chain those makers together to arrange a song. An oversimplified explaination would be:

Bars 1-8 intro (marker 1)
Bars 9-16 verse (marker 2)
Bars 16-24 chorus (marker 3)

Basically pattern based arrangement.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:21 pm

Chrisma wrote:Markers:

in the time and (bars and time)

Right-click the Composer Time Bar -> "Create Locator".

Is that what you're looking for?

and what would push Mulab out-front is the ability to chain those makers together to arrange a song. An oversimplified explaination would be:

Bars 1-8 intro (marker 1)
Bars 9-16 verse (marker 2)
Bars 16-24 chorus (marker 3)

Basically pattern based arrangement.

Nice idea. Will think on this.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:57 pm

That is a nice idea - but it should be controllable using a (MIDI) sequence...

Chrisma · Post by **Chrisma** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:10 pm

mutools wrote:
Chrisma wrote:Markers:

in the time and (bars and time)
Right-click the Composer Time Bar -> "Create Locator".

Is that what you're looking for?

and what would push Mulab out-front is the ability to chain those makers together to arrange a song. An oversimplified explaination would be:

Bars 1-8 intro (marker 1)
Bars 9-16 verse (marker 2)
Bars 16-24 chorus (marker 3)

Basically pattern based arrangement.
Nice idea. Will think on this.

Yes exactly and thanks for considering it.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:15 pm

mutools wrote:
Does anyone has experience with combining MU.LAB with a 'external' score editor?

Now i'm brainstorming a bit: Instead of integrating a full score editor in MU.LAB, i would rather invest dev-time in developing a good 'bridge' between MU.LAB and an external score editor, a bit like the way you can use an exteranl audio editor in MU.LAB to edit audio files.

Double click on a midi pattern -> opens up the specified external score editor -> edit score, save over the file -> Mu.lab updates the edited midi pattern. I think this is how Reaper does it.

Cheers!
bManic

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:26 pm

bmanic wrote:Double click on a midi pattern -> opens up the specified external score editor -> edit score, save over the file -> Mu.lab updates the edited midi pattern. I think this is how Reaper does it.

So using a MIDI file bridge.

Sounds logical.

Added to the whishlist.

oliv928 · Post by **oliv928** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:25 am

"Double click on a midi pattern -> opens up the specified external score editor -> edit score, save over the file -> Mu.lab updates the edited midi pattern. I think this is how Reaper does it."

sounds very nice.thanx.

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:07 am

mutools wrote:Supporting MFX plugins is on the MU.LAB whishlist.

Cool. Not too high on the wishlist, I hope, but still nice to see as I've heard of some good MFX plugins.

elmcity · Post by **elmcity** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:51 am

I am useing mpk49 usb keyboard controller and wanted to how do i setup the sliders,buttons,and transport controls with mutools?
thx

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:43 pm

Right-click a parameter and choose "Map MIDI Controller".

Or right-click a plugin and choose "Map MIDI Controller".

Tip regarding VST plugins: First tweak the target parameter in the VST editor, then choose "Map MIDI Controller" from the "Options" menu at the top of the VST editor. This way that parameter will already be preset in the "Map MIDI Controller" dialog

Hope this helps.

ZooTooK · Post by **ZooTooK** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:11 pm

mutools wrote:
Chrisma wrote:Markers:
...
Basically pattern based arrangement.
Nice idea. Will think on this.

Muzys Play Room revisited.... ahhhhhhh

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congrats : MuLab is 1st step to the ideal music soft