V-Machine

[amiga909]

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Well, I've try it and the result is the same as if the plugin is loaded again.

just out of interest. which plugins are u loading?

[gafaell]

Thank you VFXAU for your quick answer.

1. I cannot assign a different channel to diferent plug ins because my configuration needs to run only on one channel, so this solution won't work for me.
2. I have previously tried to assign to different presets to the plug ins but it also takes much time when you change from one to the other. Besides, midi messages do not respond to presets change, but only responds to bank change (strange, but true)
3. I still don't use samples. This will be a future step. I am just trying to adapt V MACHINE to some good sounds for live performance.

I have seen that this DELAYED LOAD PLUG IN creates a delay in starting the bank. The delay becomes "acceptable" when this parameter is in OFF, but I am not able to set it to OFF permanently.

Is there a way to save the configuration with this general parameter in the OFF status ???? Please help.

Up to now, I am not able to use the V Machine in a live gig, as the delay changing banks is inacceptable long (3 secbnds) during a song.

I agree with Ramon in all aspects.

Please, let me know if there are any other users with the same problem.

Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gafaell]

Thank you VFXAU for your quick answer.

1. I cannot assign a different channel to diferent plug ins because my configuration needs to run only on one channel, so this solution won't work for me.
2. I have previously tried to assign to different presets to the plug ins but it also takes much time when you change from one to the other. Besides, midi messages do not respond to presets change, but only responds to bank change (strange, but true)
3. I still don't use samples. This will be a future step. I am just trying to adapt V MACHINE to some good sounds for live performance.

I have seen that this DELAYED LOAD PLUG IN creates a delay in starting the bank. The delay becomes "acceptable" when this parameter is in OFF, but I am not able to set it to OFF permanently.

Is there a way to save the configuration with this general parameter in the OFF status ???? Please help.

Up to now, I am not able to use the V Machine in a live gig, as the delay changing banks is inacceptable long (3 secbnds) during a song.

I agree with Ramon in all aspects.

Please, let me know if there are any other users with the same problem.

Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amiga909]

Up to now, I am not able to use the V Machine in a live gig, as the delay changing banks is inacceptable long (3 secbnds) during a song

I am sure SMPro audio could improve the preload process. maybe memoization of plugin initialization to a external HD could help: an offline function that precalculates as much as possible without eating the internal RAM.

yet I find u likely expect the impossible.
- loads of vst's need 3s to load fist time on ur desktop computer too?
- is Receptor better at this?

-> try to do more with one single plugin, and a 3s intermission isnt bad if you prepare the next song on stage.
limitations arent always bad, in earlier days an Akai Sampler maybe loaded a 2MB sample set in 3min, and it did not stop the freaks to get everything out of their boxes

[gafaell]

Thank you, amiga 909,

Does anybody know how to turn off the DELAYED LOAD PLUG parameter permanently in the GLOBAL MENU ?????????

When I restart the V Machine, it comes back, always again to ON.

Thank you for your help.

[VFXAU]

Please, let me know if there are any other users with the same problem.

Thank you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you let me know what plugins you are using please,
but in realstic terms even on a PC loading VST's takes time.
The only way to stop this is to load them together.

Certainly several of our development paths will give users different ways of doing things but if something needs to load... then it needs to load.

[gafaell]

Thank you again VFXAU,

This happens with all plug ins included in the initial pack.

At the moment, I have 2 main problems:

1. I need to set the DELAYED LOAD PLUG to OFF, because I experienced the delay goes back to aprox. 1 second (which is acceptable in the middle of a song, when I have to change the bank). Do I need to connect the V Machine to a USB stick and save my configuration (and reload back afterwards) or to my PC (all recent changes made in the V Machine hardware will be lost)? Please help !!

2. With my ROLAND equipment, I have spent hours trying, but the V Machine only recognizes the BANK changes (for example in the Tycky Clavinet plug or in the Air 4th). No answer in the V Machine when I change the program number in my Roland equipment. No possible PRESET change, that is why I assign one only preset in every bank. I only use one plug in in every BANK. My roland transmits in Channel 1, Poly. No problem so far with rest of midi devices connected.

Thank for your patience. I only try to reduce the delay time changing banks. I see this time reduces when the DELAYED LOAD PLUG is set to OFF, but I cannot set it permanently. I'm afraid the rest of GLOBAL parameters are not kept either, but I have to check.


Hope this helps other users.

[VFXAU]

Thank you again VFXAU,

This happens with all plug ins included in the initial pack.

At the moment, I have 2 main problems:

1. I need to set the DELAYED LOAD PLUG to OFF, because I experienced the delay goes back to aprox. 1 second (which is acceptable in the middle of a song, when I have to change the bank). Do I need to connect the V Machine to a USB stick and save my configuration (and reload back afterwards) or to my PC (all recent changes made in the V Machine hardware will be lost)? Please help !!

2. With my ROLAND equipment, I have spent hours trying, but the V Machine only recognizes the BANK changes (for example in the Tycky Clavinet plug or in the Air 4th). No answer in the V Machine when I change the program number in my Roland equipment. No possible PRESET change, that is why I assign one only preset in every bank. I only use one plug in in every BANK. My roland transmits in Channel 1, Poly. No problem so far with rest of midi devices connected.

Thank for your patience. I only try to reduce the delay time changing banks. I see this time reduces when the DELAYED LOAD PLUG is set to OFF, but I cannot set it permanently. I'm afraid the rest of GLOBAL parameters are not kept either, but I have to check.


Hope this helps other users.

No problem, I will check this with the developers, in any case if it is not saving it then it is a simple update which we can roll out pretty quickly.

On the roland gear, doing a program UP or DOWN, or actually puting a number in? Have you assigned in the global for the Program Change to go to Preset or PATCH instead of BANK?

[gafaell]

Well, I cannot check now the equipment but I remember not being able to keep the PRESET at the PROGRAM CHANGE settings when turning off the VM.

How can I keep the GLOBAL configurations on the hardware when I turn off the VM ?

How can I set this DELAYED LOAD PLUG to off permanently ?


In the GLOBAL MENU there is another parameter (Feedback parameter load, or similar), what is this for ? Should it be ON or OFF ?

Should I save it on a USB stick as a method and reload it afterwards ??

Where is the menu for saving to USB stick ??.

Thanx

[mon8169]

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Well, I've try it and the result is the same as if the plugin is loaded again.

just out of interest. which plugins are u loading?

Ir happens in all plugs. If they take some time the first time you open a bank, changing the preset with the same plug is the 80% of the original time. The plug re-load each time but just a little faster.

Example: Organized Trio
First Time: 6s to load
Second Time: 4s to load by changing to the next preset in a Bank

Four seconds are way too much in a song!!!!!

Not a problem when changing Banks (songs) but in the middle of a song.... Impossible!!!!

This should be addresed in future firmwares!!

Ramon

[mon8169]

Can you let me know what plugins you are using please,
but in realstic terms even on a PC loading VST's takes time.
The only way to stop this is to load them together.

Certainly several of our development paths will give users different ways of doing things but if something needs to load... then it needs to load.

I disagree, at least partially. In your mute-solution you already have both plugs loaded. When you go to the next preset you just want the unmuted sound muted and the other the contrary, like pressing the buttons on the V-M. There is no load-a-plug involved. The Firmware has to recognise this cases and we will have our problems solved (at least a part of them).

Loading VST's on a PC is way faster than in the V-Machine, even with the VFX Application. Why is this speed not possible on the V-Machine?

Ramon

[EvilDragon]

I agree 4 or 6 seconds for a non-sample based plugin is way too much. Get it down to 1 second (or under) and you'll have more happy customers, otherwise, this thing isn't really usable live in, for example, a progressive band where sounds are changed really fast (example: Dream Theater)

[gafaell]

Sorry but I have to insist:

Please check if in your Global Menu you have your parameter Delayed Global Plug as default, it is in the On position. If you change to off, you will experiment a reduction of (let's say a 75 %) of time between banks changes.

The problem is: how to set this parameter permanently to off ????

When you re-start the VM, it comes back to on again. I tried to synchronise with my pc but it is useless, as it starts again with the ON parameter.

I am sending a question to the Sm Pro Audio technical service. I will let you know asap.

Any ideas meanwhile ????

Thank you.

Still don't understand how this unfinished product has come out to the market...

[VFXAU]

Can you let me know what plugins you are using please,
but in realstic terms even on a PC loading VST's takes time.
The only way to stop this is to load them together.

Certainly several of our development paths will give users different ways of doing things but if something needs to load... then it needs to load.

I disagree, at least partially. In your mute-solution you already have both plugs loaded. When you go to the next preset you just want the unmuted sound muted and the other the contrary, like pressing the buttons on the V-M. There is no load-a-plug involved. The Firmware has to recognise this cases and we will have our problems solved (at least a part of them).

Loading VST's on a PC is way faster than in the V-Machine, even with the VFX Application. Why is this speed not possible on the V-Machine?

Ramon

The only way for me to replicate exactly what you are doing and offer the support that I want to offer is to know what plugins you are using and set it up in the same way that you are so I can experiment in different ways of loading to offer you a solution. As you know from previous posts I am on the user side so what ever I can do to replicate your situations to the team helps everyone. Because in my experiments with VSTi's (DSP based not large sample based) changing presets can be very fast.

[VFXAU]

I agree 4 or 6 seconds for a non-sample based plugin is way too much. Get it down to 1 second (or under) and you'll have more happy customers, otherwise, this thing isn't really usable live in, for example, a progressive band where sounds are changed really fast (example: Dream Theater)

Hi, I agree more happy customers, but really you can't say NOT USABLE LIVE... as 100's are using them happily, everyones situation is very different. You know, even if it just played one sound it would be USABLE LIVE.. Sure I am the same, I want more features, it is normal human nature (sadly) to always look at what something Can't do instead of what is can do , you can certainly say FOR ME it is not really usable. In most cases users can load several VSTi's to a preset and change midi channels. (or mute/unmute).