V-Machine

[VFXAU]

In the first place, Samplelord. I had set it up to play up to 56 notes, which is the highest limit I could reach to avoid CPU clipping. Now it clips with 52 ~ 53 voices.

Then, the plugin I'm working on... I reached a nice result of 64 voices. The critical limit was 66 voices, but 64 was safe. With this new firmware, it clips at 58~59 voices.

I switched back to the old firmware and everything is like before.
The new firmware has definitely reduced the CPU power, making the V-Machine even slower than before.

Also, I don't see any improvement in the S/N ratio. The sound level isn't changed and the background hiss is always there.

Ok, first about the S/N ratio, I need to totally disagree with you, absolutly, actually I would be upset if a developer said this, the difference is night and day between the Old firmware and the new firware!!! at least 20dB less noise then before, at least! You are sure you are using the right firmware? it is the first thing that other users commented to us after loading the new firmware.

OK so we are talking about sample lord, ok and how are you testing it? what is your testing method.

[ZioKiller]

Ok, first about the S/N ratio, I need to totally disagree with you, absolutly, actually I would be upset if a developer said this, the difference is night and day between the Old firmware and the new firware!!! at least 20dB less noise then before, at least! You are sure you are using the right firmware? it is the first thing that other users commented to us after loading the new firmware.

I may be wrong, but with the old firmware, setting both the channel and master levels at 1.00 the plugin's output caused clips, with the new firmware the output doesn't clip... which is a good thing, but I can still hear the hiss.

Ok, I'll do some more tests on this (I may also have changed something on my mixer...)

OK so we are talking about sample lord, ok and how are you testing it? what is your testing method.

Very simple: load a piano sampleset, hold the sustain pedal and do a semitone scale, count the notes... each octave has 12 notes
Since many ROMplers assign a new voice even if the note number doesn't change, you can even play always the same note while still keeping your foot on the sustain pedal. Count how many times you hit that key and see the CPU indicator rise...

Don't tell me you have only 10 fingers, I have 11

[VFXAU]

In the first place, Samplelord. I had set it up to play up to 56 notes, which is the highest limit I could reach to avoid CPU clipping. Now it clips with 52 ~ 53 voices.

Then, the plugin I'm working on... I reached a nice result of 64 voices. The critical limit was 66 voices, but 64 was safe. With this new firmware, it clips at 58~59 voices.

I switched back to the old firmware and everything is like before.
The new firmware has definitely reduced the CPU power, making the V-Machine even slower than before.

Also, I don't see any improvement in the S/N ratio. The sound level isn't changed and the background hiss is always there.

Well it can't reduce the CPU power, it remains the same, but if we are running extra checks in the background to make the sound better and if you have 58-59 voices.. I think this is acceptable if the sound is better, I would like to do some tests on DSP based plugins not just sample based ones to see what the difference is there. We may offer it as an ON OFF option to switch soft clipping on or off.

You do realise that by changing the volume level of the channel and the mixer away from UNITY gain (I think it is about . you are using more CPU power as well. So always try to leave it on Unity gain.

[mäxchen]

hello again,

asynt works very fine (without wizard), i have forgotten to adjust the gain over 0.00
one thing is very disapointing: i cant change some parameter at the v-achine that are shown. this are parameters that have only a few posibilities, example waveform (saw, sinus, rectangle). so you cant tweak your sound with your v-machine.
with a midi controller and midi-learn on the v-machine all works fine.
max

[VFXAU]

hello again,

asynt works very fine (without wizard), i have forgotten to adjust the gain over 0.00
one thing is very disapointing: i cant change some parameter at the v-achine that are shown. this are parameters that have only a few posibilities, example waveform (saw, sinus, rectangle). so you cant tweak your sound with your v-machine.
with a midi controller and midi-learn on the v-machine all works fine.
max

Hi,

Can you explain this a little bit further,
You say that you can change the parameter with a V-Machine and a controller, but not with the v-machine on it's own.

Please let me know the exact parameter and the VSTi and where I can download it from so we can make a report for the development team. Any info is good info to improve the operating system and each plugin sometimes has it's own quirk to get it working.

Thanks

[mäxchen]

hello vfxau,

no problem .
the pluin is called "ASynth" and can downloaded here: http://antti.smartelectronix.com/
tried it again. i can change the parameter "47y5:Osc1Wave" via controller on the v-machine between "Square" and "Saw" but not on the vmachine on its own. other parameter i can change both ways.
hope that helps

max

sometimes you can use another plugin but some plugins are unique.
p.s. the cpu power for this plugin is ok.

[pgill]

Hi, new to this forum, but have been lurking.Hope you don't mind answering a question, mainly aimed at the developers.

I note from a user that an EWI-USB can be directly plugged into the V-machine, so I presume it powers the EWI and converts/recognises the Usb, midi.

Also from a user it appears that the V-mchine has no midi out/through. This appears to me to be a missed opportunity, as the V-machine, considering its size and price would be a worthy buy, if it had the added bonus that the EWI-USB could be plugged in and the midi signal routed through to a hardsynth, eliminating the need for a laptop/computer.

My question is, will the upgraded V-machine have a midi through that could address the above?

Regards Pete.

[VFXAU]

Hi, new to this forum, but have been lurking.Hope you don't mind answering a question, mainly aimed at the developers.

I note from a user that an EWI-USB can be directly plugged into the V-machine, so I presume it powers the EWI and converts/recognises the Usb, midi.

Also from a user it appears that the V-mchine has no midi out/through. This appears to me to be a missed opportunity, as the V-machine, considering its size and price would be a worthy buy, if it had the added bonus that the EWI-USB could be plugged in and the midi signal routed through to a hardsynth, eliminating the need for a laptop/computer.

My question is, will the upgraded V-machine have a midi through that could address the above?

Regards Pete.

Hi, yes that is correct the EWI-USB works with the V-Machine, the idea for the v-machine is to be that hard synth, alternativly you could connect a normal USB-MIDI adaptor to the V-Machine and use this to go to a synth if needed.

[pgill]

Hi, yes that is correct the EWI-USB works with the V-Machine, the idea for the v-machine is to be that hard synth, alternativly you could connect a normal USB-MIDI adaptor to the V-Machine and use this to go to a synth if needed.

I'm afraid you have lost me. I know of many Midi-USB devices, but no USB-MIDI devices and even if such existed, surely that would require two USB ports?

Could you please elaborate?

Regards Pete.

[ZioKiller]

Maybe you can plug a 1x1 MIDI-USB interface and get midi out coming from the V-Machine (if some plugins outputs midi data)??? Is that what Danny meant?

[pgill]

Maybe you can plug a 1x1 MIDI-USB interface and get midi out coming from the V-Machine (if some plugins outputs midi data)??? Is that what Danny meant?

USB isn't standard, ie, you need drivers to interpret the USB, but going beyond the impossible, if you plug in a MIDI-USB adaptor, where does the EWI-USB go?

I just wanted to point out that the V-machines size and price would make it very attractive if it had a MIDI out/through.

Not only for EWI-USB users, but for USB-keyboard players,etc.

Regards Pete.

[ZioKiller]

if you plug in a MIDI-USB adaptor, where does the EWI-USB go?

In the other USB port

And if you need more ports, add a HUB.

[pgill]

In the other USB port

So I take it the V-machine has more than one port. Now how does the hardsynth interpret the USB data?

When midi goes through a MIDI-USB adaptor the info enters a computer where a driver interprets the streams. Going the other way, it's just gobblygook

Regards Pete.

[pgill]

In the other USB port

So I take it the V-machine has more than one port. Now how does the hardsynth interpret the USB data?

When midi goes through a MIDI-USB adaptor the info enters a computer where a driver interprets the streams. Going the other way, it's just gobblygook

Regards Pete.

If with the addition of a common MIDI-USB adaptor the V-machine can send midi to any hardsynth (which I don't dispute) then it is a very attractive propersition. However I would appreciate input from someone/anyone that has done so. And if so I will post on the Windcontroller forums.

Regards Pete.

[mon8169]

Can someone please send me a vfxinfo.txt file for Native Instruments B4 and/or B4 II? It would be great to me to run one or both!!

thanks in advance

Ramon