KVR Audio

Grain Bastard · Post by **Grain Bastard** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:58 am

dj ray wrote:I really hope the presets are useful and plentiful.....

I hope not as this would surely make him a witch and must be burned.

Seriously, useful presets for a compressor would require prior info on the source material being fed.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:05 pm

dj ray wrote:I really hope the presets are useful and plentiful

i have read on KvR that there is no such thing as a useful comp or EQ preset as the settings are so dependent on the source audio,

of course if you have absolutely no idea how compression works then presets as guide lines will be a big help,

i intend to share some presets when i get my sticky fingers on the glue (pun intended, add groan here

)

Compression is quite a destructive tool & if your monitors are crap you wont even notice much of the destruction intill its to late

i'm very excited about this plugin! & i cant wait to test it!!!!!!

Subz

EDIT, see above post as proof of my original statement

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:30 pm

Good presets are a great time saver!

Grain Bastard · Post by **Grain Bastard** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:38 pm

If you have no idea on how compression works then why on earth would you buy a compressor plugin.

Honestly, presets for a compressor are at best a gimmik (see Waves and their retarded 'pro-user' settings to give you the sound of some money-grabbing famous producer) or even worse, they stiffle your learning.

Same with eq's to a point but say a filter setting removing everything below say 100hz will always remove that whatever the source but wierd ones like 'gentle mastering' will never be relevant IMHO.

Anyway, soz for the OT.

Seems to be generating a bit of hype this comp so I'll probably check it out. I go to the UAD for comp's so it'll need to be impressive. I hope its not just going to be finally the day that native plugs can compete with this 'dead DSP technology' which this forum has been going on about for the past 5 years or so........

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:41 pm

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:44 pm

dj ray wrote:
Grain Bastard wrote:If you have no idea on how compression works then why on earth would you buy a compressor plugin.
You shouldn't be making assumptions about what I do or don't know.

from how i'm reading he didn't

A) its not addressed to you & B) he said IF

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:48 pm

Grain Bastard · Post by **Grain Bastard** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:52 pm

dj ray wrote:
Grain Bastard wrote:If you have no idea on how compression works then why on earth would you buy a compressor plugin.
Don't make assumptions about what I do or don't know.

I guess I didn't account for randoms who buy shit even when they have a brain full already.

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:55 pm

nice vibe goin' on here

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:56 pm

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:04 pm

One thing that kinda bugs me on the comp: the ratio.

There is onyl a ratio of 2, 4 and 10. Why not 6, 8 and 20 too? Or is this simply a room issue on the GUI, Andrew?

Just wondering. Never really used the real SSL console (wasn't "allowed" to touch it while being a student) so I don't know, but I'm used to more agressive ratios from LA and 1176 clones.

Unless the ratio for the G-Series acts different (like 2 resembles 4, 4 resembles 8 and 10 up to 20)?

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:05 pm

The Glue will ship with useful presets, but you will need to trim the Threshold and Makeup on each one to suite your audio material. Although dialing in a preset takes no time at all, it's nice to be able to save your own settings for easy recall later on. I've put the only two things you need to trim, the Threshold and Makeup, right at the top next to the VU, and made the lighting highlight them most for this very reason.

Andrew Simper

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:10 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:The Glue will ship with useful presets, but you will need to trim the Threshold and Makeup on each one to suite your audio material. Although dialing in a preset takes no time at all, it's nice to be able to save your own settings for easy recall later on. I've put the only two things you need to trim, the Threshold and Makeup, right at the top next to the VU, and made the lighting highlight them most for this very reason.

Andrew Simper

Great stuff! It's the creative use of Ratios and Attack/Release that make good compressor presets, while the Threshold usually needs to be adjusted manually.

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:16 pm

The greater the variety of useful sounds of a device is the more useful are good presets.

Shogger

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:48 pm

Compyfox wrote:One thing that kinda bugs me on the comp: the ratio.

There is onyl a ratio of 2, 4 and 10. Why not 6, 8 and 20 too? Or is this simply a room issue on the GUI, Andrew?

Just wondering. Never really used the real SSL console (wasn't "allowed" to touch it while being a student) so I don't know, but I'm used to more agressive ratios from LA and 1176 clones.

The short answer is:
I felt that adding more ratios didn't add enough to overall sound to justify the extra clutter both visually and mentally.

The long answer is:
I was tempted to add an oo ratio (infinite), but after listening tests I decided against it as I want to keep this product focussed on what the original is good at.

The difference between a ratio of 10 and 20 is pretty subtle. In fact if you are 10 dB over the threshold then you will hear only a 0.5 dB difference in volume between a ratio of 10 and 20. Here are some simple calculations to show what I mean:

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ratio 1.33: 10/1.33 - 10 = -2.5 dB
ratio 2   : 10/2    - 10 = -5 dB
ratio 4   : 10/4    - 10 = -7.5 dB
ratio 10  : 10/10   - 10 = -9 dB
ratio 20  : 10/20   - 10 = -9.5 dB
ratio oo  : 10/oo   - 10 = -10 dB

So even for an infiite (oo) ratio you only get an extra -1 dB of attenuation over a ratio of 10. If you move the threshold down by a -1.11 dB you will have the same attenuation as -oo had at the old threshold.

So to sum it all up, a ratio of 10 is lots already. If I was going to add more ratios it would probably be oo and one at 1.33, as these space out most evenly with the rest as you can see from the table above.

Andrew Simper

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor