New Receptor fan. EEEEEEEEEEEEE give me some drugs!!!
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- KVRAF
- 4071 posts since 4 Mar, 2008 from Near Pittsburgh
You have a defective fan? Is it within warranty period? Did you contact Muse or check the Plugorama knowledgebase to see if the type of fan you need is listed? It is likely something standard but perhaps not, to keep it quieter than average.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
Why is there anybody at muse today? I'm thinking i'll just replace with nexus or noctua I use them in my rigs and they work fine. Nothing at plugobut.
A minor scale is a major scale starting 3 half steps down from the major and visa versa. Any Chord has as many versions as it has notes.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
It's the CPU fan, or so I thought. I had to pull the heat sink to get to the fan. Ounce I had the fan off I plugged it in and know noise. It's vibrating the housing over the sink that the fan monts to and forces the air to move through the sink and towards the case fan, I'm thinking about using rubber mounts to see if that will stop it. the fan is a piece of s**t aswell. Think i'll change that out
A minor scale is a major scale starting 3 half steps down from the major and visa versa. Any Chord has as many versions as it has notes.
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- KVRAF
- 4071 posts since 4 Mar, 2008 from Near Pittsburgh
I misunderstood that it was a noise issue (didn't read EEEEE literally or something), personally if I had just received my upgrade there certainly should be some warranty on that and I'd call them Monday instead of taking it apart and upon myself but that's just my take on it.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
I fired it up for the first time since it came back and this...
Yes I could, seems more of a hassle running it back and forth for a fan problem though. This way I'll know it's fixed right and not have to deal with the possible, "no problem found" thing.
Yes I could, seems more of a hassle running it back and forth for a fan problem though. This way I'll know it's fixed right and not have to deal with the possible, "no problem found" thing.
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- KVRAF
- 4071 posts since 4 Mar, 2008 from Near Pittsburgh
Though they tend to invalidate warranty for things like "granting root access" I'd assume you'll run into the same thing if they ever have to do real work on it. Not to devolve discussion into that, I can see not wanting to support screwups when someone does something done as root, would they not fix a bad bit of hardware that had nothing to do with said root access if they voided my warranty for "granting root access"?
I hear you on the fact that if you want it done right you do it yourself, though. I'm in that camp too (along with the root access being a necessity camp!).
I hear you on the fact that if you want it done right you do it yourself, though. I'm in that camp too (along with the root access being a necessity camp!).
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
I read in here about how to gain root access. I think it said to google Muse receptor root Access. I did, and found a couple of sites or blogs with instructions. I don't know if they will also work with the rev 2 version though but I totaly agree with you on that. The auto disk check sounds prety stupid, that should be done on one's own terms. It reminds me of that old sort of "don't piss or we'll spank you with a big bill" thing.
Any ways I pulled the heat sink housing off and drilled the fan mount holes to accept the rubber mounts, can't drill too much,only so much flange. I still was able to get them to pop in. Cleaned the crapy thermal compound off. I'll use artic silver instead. put it back together and now, waiting for my "SilenX IXP-34-16 Ixtrema Pro 60mm x 25mm 16dBA 18CFM Fan" to get here so I can finish it.
Any ways I pulled the heat sink housing off and drilled the fan mount holes to accept the rubber mounts, can't drill too much,only so much flange. I still was able to get them to pop in. Cleaned the crapy thermal compound off. I'll use artic silver instead. put it back together and now, waiting for my "SilenX IXP-34-16 Ixtrema Pro 60mm x 25mm 16dBA 18CFM Fan" to get here so I can finish it.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
From what I have read the V-Machine aswell as the receptor is a plugin player. The V-Machine does not need plugins converted to a different format for them to work on it. There is a smaller box version, a guitar pedal type version and a rack version. the rack version has 16 rotory encoders on its face you can check them out at this address
http://www.smproaudio.com/produkte/v-machines.html
Thay do not compare in performace in any way though to the receptor. what few specs I could find on them seems to show that but they have alot of I/O I wish was on the Receptor. The V- Machines are upgradable, but to what extent I don't know.
So there is Three companies that produce plugin host hardware
Muse, SM Pro Audio and Open Labs. It makes me wonder why they aren't produced like computers.
You find a system you like, you option it ou the way you want it etc.
Same thing with Keyboards.
you pick the type of manual you want, the type of performance controls(wheels, sticks, ribbons, buttons, encoders. Sliders) sound module no sound module.
http://www.smproaudio.com/produkte/v-machines.html
Thay do not compare in performace in any way though to the receptor. what few specs I could find on them seems to show that but they have alot of I/O I wish was on the Receptor. The V- Machines are upgradable, but to what extent I don't know.
So there is Three companies that produce plugin host hardware
Muse, SM Pro Audio and Open Labs. It makes me wonder why they aren't produced like computers.
You find a system you like, you option it ou the way you want it etc.
Same thing with Keyboards.
you pick the type of manual you want, the type of performance controls(wheels, sticks, ribbons, buttons, encoders. Sliders) sound module no sound module.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
Try this article from keyboard for hosts comparison and how they work
http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/soft ... 9/92503%20
http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/soft ... 9/92503%20
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Bryan@MuseResearch Bryan@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9067
- MUSEician
- 618 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Silicon Valley
First off, sorry for the delay in responding to this post. Very busy these days.Throbert wrote: So I guess I have to find one or two decent fans. Any body know the cure?
By fan noise, I suppose you are talking about a RECEPTOR 2 PRO or PRO MAX and not a Rev C, PRO Jr. or PRO 750.
The previous generation Receptors (Rev C, PRO Jr., Pro 750, or Rev A or B) had fairly low power processors in them (in terms of wattage) so we were able to use fairly slow CPU fans.
With the RECEPTOR 2 PRO and PRO MAX, the processors are higher power and thus generate more heat. To combat noise, we 1) designed in a new power supply that has the fan INSIDE the unit, and that fan is variable speed, 2) we designed in a Noctua super low noise system fan, and 3) we designed in an extra heavy solid copper heat sink.
If you are hearing screechy, scratchy, or scrapy sounds from any Receptor, something is wrong, probably with the fan specifically with the fan bearing, and you should contact us for repair.
In a RECEPTOR 2 PRO or PRO MAX, the fan you are likely hearing is the dual-ball bearing fan that is on the CPU heatsink. Admittedly it is a bit louder than the previous generation, but those dual core processors can throw a LOT of heat off under high loads, and we want to make sure that you don't have a thermal shutdown on stage during a ripping solo.
We looked at all different vendors of fans, and searched high and low to find small, low noise fans for use on the heatsink. After doing some thermal calcs and working with the heatsink vendor, we determined that we had to go with the dual ball bearing fan design to guarantee enough thermal margin so that you could use the instrument on tour in the summer and not have to worry about it shutting down.
We have had a couple of studio owners who don't take their RECEPTOR 2 PRO MAXes on tour contact us about alternative fans, and IF YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you won't be operating Receptor above 85 degrees farenheit (that would refer to the temperature inside the rack, NOT in your chair at the mixing desk!) then there is a much quieter fan you can substitute. Please realize though that we do not recommend that this fan be used in systems that are going to be used under hot stage lights and on summer tours where stage temps can easily exceed 100 degrees.... I remember one time I saw the Goo Goo Dolls in Phoenix in August and the ambient temp was 120 degrees... in the audience... at 8PM at night!
If you'd like more info on this fan (its a bit tricky to install, and requires good computer tech skills) then please contact tech support.
Cheers
Groovology
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 581 posts since 30 Nov, 2008 from Denver CO USA
I pulled the heat sink to get to the fan. Ounce I had the fan off I plugged it in and no noise. It's vibrating the housing over the sink that the fan mounts to and forces the air to move through the sink and towards the case fan, I'm going to use rubber mounts to stop it. The fan is a piece of s**t ,Think i'll change that out
I pulled the heat sink housing off and drilled the fan mount holes to accept the rubber mounts, can't drill too much,only so much flange. I still was able to get them to pop in. Cleaned the crapy thermal compound off. I'll use artic silver instead. put it back together and now, waiting for my "SilenX IXP-34-16 Ixtrema Pro 60mm x 25mm 16dBA 18CFM Fan" to get here so I can finish it.
It's 5 cfm less than what was on there but way more quiet. I think that should be enough. Should be here tomorrow
I pulled the heat sink housing off and drilled the fan mount holes to accept the rubber mounts, can't drill too much,only so much flange. I still was able to get them to pop in. Cleaned the crapy thermal compound off. I'll use artic silver instead. put it back together and now, waiting for my "SilenX IXP-34-16 Ixtrema Pro 60mm x 25mm 16dBA 18CFM Fan" to get here so I can finish it.
It's 5 cfm less than what was on there but way more quiet. I think that should be enough. Should be here tomorrow
A minor scale is a major scale starting 3 half steps down from the major and visa versa. Any Chord has as many versions as it has notes.
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Bryan@MuseResearch Bryan@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9067
- MUSEician
- 618 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Silicon Valley
Actually, the fan is really high quality, its just not quiet. You are correct that the fan, due to the mechanical vibration of the dual ball bearing design, causes the top place of the CPU heatsink to resonate, causing most of the noise you are finding objectionable. We've tried silicon washers, it attenuates the noise only very slightly, not enough to make a big difference in a studio, which is where people have a problem with noise in the first place.Throbert wrote:I pulled the heat sink to get to the fan. Ounce I had the fan off I plugged it in and no noise. It's vibrating the housing over the sink that the fan mounts to and forces the air to move through the sink and towards the case fan, I'm going to use rubber mounts to stop it. The fan is a piece of s**t ,Think i'll change that out
I pulled the heat sink housing off and drilled the fan mount holes to accept the rubber mounts, can't drill too much,only so much flange. I still was able to get them to pop in. Cleaned the crapy thermal compound off. I'll use artic silver instead. put it back together and now, waiting for my "SilenX IXP-34-16 Ixtrema Pro 60mm x 25mm 16dBA 18CFM Fan" to get here so I can finish it.
It's 5 cfm less than what was on there but way more quiet. I think that should be enough. Should be here tomorrow
So like I said: if you play live, the existing fan is the one you should keep. If you play only in the studio, we can help you get the studio fan version and that will fix the noise.
The Silenx fan that you have ordered and intend on installing is in fact the fan we are offering in the "studio only" version, I think you'll be very happy with the noise after that fan is installed. We've done the calcs, and you should be fine both in terms of thermal margin and in terms of lifetime by using this lower CFM fan as long as you don't operate it above 85 degrees F. Believe it or not, that 5CFM makes a big difference.
Again, we do not recommend extended operation above 85 degrees with the studio fan installed, so don't stick it in a closed rack, or place it in a hot closet, or otherwise use it in a hot environment...
Good luck!
Groovology