zebra academic pricing

[Cordelia]

As to the suggestion to give hookers a discount, I have nothing against their profession, but I think it is bad taste to put them on the same pedestal as professionals who work with disabled children.

Well, first, there was some amount of humor in my post. Second, my girlfriend is a nurse, she has worked in pediatric oncology. She wasn't offended by my post. Maybe because when you work in an area as unbelievably difficult and painful as pediatric oncology you have to develop a sense of humor and balance. Third, when I thought of the hardest jobs I could imagine, being a prostitute popped into my head right away. It was simply a list of difficult jobs, there was no intention to imply any relationship or comparison between the jobs listed.

[elxsound]

...As to the suggestion to give hookers a discount, I have nothing against their profession, but I think it is bad taste to put them on the same pedestal as professionals who work with disabled children...

Hookers also work with disabled children. [?]

Not only that, they are also avid Zebra users.

Is that your personal experience??

[Cordelia]

I applaud Urs' refusal to offer special academic discounts.
I think there should be special discounts for nurses, those who work with disabled children, sanitation engineers, and hookers. Those are some tough jobs.

+1

@ Funkasizer... It's not about pedestals, it's about tough jobs that generally don't pay well (except SOME hookers do get paid serious money). Mostly, I'm sure the hookers were added for sense of humor.

I think the point is a simple one... There are many reasons to justify why any certain group deserves a discount so instead of putting one group on a pedestal and then discriminating against others, there is a discount available to all.

The more the discussion continues, the more it's evident that there's really nothing different in terms of personal circumstance than any other career or life choice. The bottom line is that there are some who make a ton of money and there are some who don't. That seems pretty much in line with the rest of the global population.

By the way... I come from a family of educators and I can go on and on about the low pay (as my parents and siblings work in the public sector), but providing service to the community at low wages is not limited to educators, nor do ALL educators earn low wages (which I believe is Urs' point) and usually discounts are not provided to the academic community out of sympathy but instead are provided by way of marketing. That said, I don't really see why the conversation continues, recounting the plight of certain educators when they are not alone in terms of struggling economically, nor should single experiences be used to generalize the view of all educators when clearly that's not the case as already demonstrated from multiple postings. I also don't believe it was an issue of generalizing educators as being well off, but instead a point offered as a counter to previous posting which was necessary for painting a truer picture that includes multiple circumstances affecting those in academics.

Thank you elxicano. Very well said.

[aMUSEd]

...As to the suggestion to give hookers a discount, I have nothing against their profession, but I think it is bad taste to put them on the same pedestal as professionals who work with disabled children...

Hookers also work with disabled children. [?]

Many hookers work with disabled adults though


Personally (and I realise this is OT and the insertion of Hookers was somewhat tongue-in-cheek) I think it's high time the stigmatisation of the oldest profession was ditched - yes I do think it's on a par with any other profession and should not be seen as low status (doing so is part of what makes it dangerous and degrading)

[Cordelia]

Many hookers work with disabled adults though

Funny, and true.

Personally (and I realise this is OT and the insertion of Hookers was somewhat tongue-in-cheek) I think it's high time the stigmatisation of the oldest profession was ditched - yes I do think it's on a par with any other profession and should not be seen as low status (doing so is part of what makes it dangerous and degrading)

I wrote something along these lines in my last post but was afraid it was too OT.
I've got a dear sweet friend who was arrested last November for prostitution (massage parlor sting operation). She'll be spending the next eighteen months in Chowchilla State Prison. They've taken everything from her- her freedom, her house, her artwork. God, I'm angry about it.

[Funkasizer]

...As to the suggestion to give hookers a discount, I have nothing against their profession, but I think it is bad taste to put them on the same pedestal as professionals who work with disabled children...

Hookers also work with disabled children. [?]

Many hookers work with disabled adults though


Personally (and I realise this is OT and the insertion of Hookers was somewhat tongue-in-cheek) I think it's high time the stigmatisation of the oldest profession was ditched - yes I do think it's on a par with any other profession and should not be seen as low status (doing so is part of what makes it dangerous and degrading)

AFAIK most hookers did not choose their profession, but were forced into it, either by 'lover boys' or via international criminal networks for the trafficking of human beings. Under such circumstances, stigmatization is inevitable.

[Funkasizer]

I applaud Urs' refusal to offer special academic discounts.
I think there should be special discounts for nurses, those who work with disabled children, sanitation engineers, and hookers. Those are some tough jobs.

+1

@ Funkasizer... It's not about pedestals, it's about tough jobs that generally don't pay well (except SOME hookers do get paid serious money). Mostly, I'm sure the hookers were added for sense of humor.

I think the point is a simple one... There are many reasons to justify why any certain group deserves a discount so instead of putting one group on a pedestal and then discriminating against others, there is a discount available to all.

The more the discussion continues, the more it's evident that there's really nothing different in terms of personal circumstance than any other career or life choice. The bottom line is that there are some who make a ton of money and there are some who don't. That seems pretty much in line with the rest of the global population.

By the way... I come from a family of educators and I can go on and on about the low pay (as my parents and siblings work in the public sector), but providing service to the community at low wages is not limited to educators, nor do ALL educators earn low wages (which I believe is Urs' point) and usually discounts are not provided to the academic community out of sympathy but instead are provided by way of marketing. That said, I don't really see why the conversation continues, recounting the plight of certain educators when they are not alone in terms of struggling economically, nor should single experiences be used to generalize the view of all educators when clearly that's not the case as already demonstrated from multiple postings. I also don't believe it was an issue of generalizing educators as being well off, but instead a point offered as a counter to previous posting which was necessary for painting a truer picture that includes multiple circumstances affecting those in academics.

Thank you elxicano. Very well said.

Please keep in mind that I was just expressing my feelings of disappointment about some comments Urs made about academics. I think they are vexing, and wanted him to know that.

[Cordelia]

AFAIK most hookers did not choose their profession, but were forced into it, either by 'lover boys' or via international criminal networks for the trafficking of human beings. Under such circumstances, stigmatization is inevitable.

That doesn't follow. You're saying prostitutes are victims, therefore stigmatization is inevitable? Being a victim inevitably leads to being stigmatized?
While I don't have any statistics and don't know if your premise is true, I'd guess it's more likely that being stigmatized leads to being victimized.
My guess would also be that in the U.S., at least, most often it's poverty that leads to prostitution. Although I know quite a number of sex workers (dancers, pro doms, escorts, sex workers), and they all have chosen their profession. But then, I live near San Francisco and I don't live on the streets.

[Funkasizer]

AFAIK most hookers did not choose their profession, but were forced into it, either by 'lover boys' or via international criminal networks for the trafficking of human beings. Under such circumstances, stigmatization is inevitable.

That doesn't follow. You're saying prostitutes are victims, therefore stigmatization is inevitable? Being a victim inevitably leads to being stigmatized?
While I don't have any statistics and don't know if your premise is true, I'd guess it's more likely that being stigmatized leads to being victimized.
My guess would also be that in the U.S., at least, most often it's poverty that leads to prostitution. Although I know quite a number of sex workers (dancers, pro doms, escorts, sex workers), and they all have chosen their profession. But then, I live near San Francisco and I don't live on the streets.

I am saying that the profession is inevitably stigmatized, not the people that are forced into it.

[aMUSEd]

Many hookers work with disabled adults though

Funny, and true.

Personally (and I realise this is OT and the insertion of Hookers was somewhat tongue-in-cheek) I think it's high time the stigmatisation of the oldest profession was ditched - yes I do think it's on a par with any other profession and should not be seen as low status (doing so is part of what makes it dangerous and degrading)

I wrote something along these lines in my last post but was afraid it was too OT.
I've got a dear sweet friend who was arrested last November for prostitution (massage parlor sting operation). She'll be spending the next eighteen months in Chowchilla State Prison. They've taken everything from her- her freedom, her house, her artwork. God, I'm angry about it.

I don't blame you - that is outrageous.

[fjolle]

I'm more angry that its so hard to buy people. With the internet and everything, open borders to Poland etc.

[sinzero]

what with spreading disease and what not, sheesh, get a girl/boyfriend.

have em tested first

Joining a prossie ring is dangerous for a lot of reasons

[sinzero]

what forum is this?

[fjolle]

what with spreading disease and what not, sheesh, get a girl/boyfriend.

have em tested first

Joining a prossie ring is dangerous for a lot of reasons

what forum is this?

WHAT? Damn, i posted on the wrong forum. This wasn't supposed to get out

[mcnoone]

Are you pimping Zebra?