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fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:12 pm

rob_lee wrote:Hi it's only upgradeable if you shell out the full upgrade price which could be a couple of hundred depending on what edu version you have
rob

Ah, so for all intents and purposes an EDU version would be seen as a regular version for purposes of upgrading?

Sorry for belaboring the point. What I'm worried about is upgrading Cubase 5 EDU to Cubase 6 and then getting a scary message during install of Cubase 6, e.g: "arooooooga! arooooooga! you had an educational C5 not a commercial C5, aborting install, have a nice day etc...".

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:12 pm

BERFAB wrote:I seem to recall that the EDU is not upgradeable, but I could be wrong on this.

I'm going to sticky this somewhere... from http://secure.keyfax.com/mm5/merchant.m ... y_Code=SEE:

Educational editions are identical to full versions, and can be upgraded through the normal upgrade paths.

I'm curious about Jay Sherman's comment that Cubase is owned by a large corporation only interested in short term profits. IIRC, Cubase is the oldest continuously developed DAW. Clearly a brand and reputation that has been built over time, with innovation upon innovation over the years.

I just don't see where the 'short term' thing comes in. They offer a quality product at a premium price. Certainly not the earmarks of a short term cash grab.

Agreed. I'm not slamming Cockos but I would have to wait and see because unfortunately the trajectory of few developers working on an ambitious project in a saturated space doesn't always end well. Hats off for the effort, and I know Justin doesn't need the money but that's just another reason to be cautious.

While my personal opinion is that comparing Reaper to Cubase really is an apples v. oranges kind of thing, I think the premise that if one is great the other must stink is inherently flawed. You like it, use it. At the end of the day, it's the music that counts, isn't it?

Agreed. Looking at it in a clinical fashion, I'd say Reaper doesn't work for me (especially since the Mac version still seems to suck IMO) and I'd rather wait to see how the company does and if they are still around in 5 years. First point basically shows it doesn't help me make music. Second point is just reason for caution as stated above. IMO of course.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:13 pm

buscemi wrote:
Educational editions are identical to full versions, and can be upgraded through the normal upgrade paths.

Thanks buscemi. Alas, I couldn't find this info via Steinberg's Knowledgebase or via their shop.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:19 pm

so it can be done

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:17 pm

rob_lee wrote:Hi it's only upgradeable if you shell out the full upgrade price which could be a couple of hundred depending on what edu version you have
rob

and after that you ahve the full non-educational version of the software - whats the problem exactly. In a years time, if your still a student and can't afford to upgrade wil the current version magically stop working ???

Epiphany · Post by **Epiphany** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:13 am

I upgraded from Cubase 4 EDU -> Cubase 5 full.

There are no educational upgrades anymore, so effectively you'll only ever own one educational version. Any upgrade from then onwards will make yours a standard version.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:27 pm

The 5.01 update is out, I said first bugfix.........time to look for a copy me thinks

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:13 am

advaya wrote: I've found that rather than maximising the arrangement window, it's easier to just drag the edges of the arrangement window to fill the entire workspace.

Personally, because I usually don't need much more than the piano roll (which can't be opened as a float window), I have my preferences set so each mixer, plugin and some other windows will open as floating ones, reducing the amount of an "automatically resized" main project window.

Fwiw, I still find all the window handling to be one of *the* major drawbacks in Cubase. Floating status isn't available for a number of windows (let's say the key editor), hence those windows will cause a project windows resizing, plus you can't just drag them onto a secondary monitor without stretching your main project window. And the latter is just not an option when using differently sized screens (such as in a laptop plus external monitor scenario, something I'm using since years). Really, the best way of dealing with these window related issues still has got to be Logic 5 for Windows (it has always been worse on Macs and with the last version they even took away quite some options due to the new "one window" paradigm, probably because Apple wants to sell more Cinema displays). "Chained" plugin windows (open a new one, the old one closes, of course that's optional on a per plugin base), all editors could be opened as float windows, etc. - just brilliant. Heck, with Logic/PC float windows even were focus-able, so keycommands for those windows were useable (something not working for, say, a floating mixer in Cubase). It's a shame that nobody ever thought of stealing that concept, it's really an incredible time saviour, but unfortunately not even the folks at Apple seem to able to see what a great thing they created (as said, quite some things are taken away in Logic 8).

- Sascha

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:43 am

Fwiw, I think not offering a demo is also pretty bad for any sequencer selling company. I really don't know why those not offering demos are still the biggest in the market (Cubendo, PT, Logic).
I mean, you can get a demo for each and every cheesy softsynth but not for what might become the heart of your virtual studio?
This is where the smaller developers really shine. There's demo versions for Sonar, Energy XT, Reaper, Podium, Bidule, Tracktion, etc. Just the big boys fail to deliver anything. They seem to solely rely on their reputation or so. Weird.

- Sascha

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:00 am

I hear what you are saying about the big "3" not offering demos. Funny, I've had them all

Oh, I think pt mpowered does have a demo though, could be wrong.

Exhile · Post by **Exhile** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:12 pm

hibidy wrote:I hear what you are saying about the big "3" not offering demos. Funny, I've had them all

Oh, I think pt mpowered does have a demo though, could be wrong.

Not v8

Otherwise i would have been testing that and it would make my choice between Cubase and PT a lot easier

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:33 pm

I agree that when Cubase starts for the first time, it's confusing where to start, they probably should have a little wizard for first run I think.

Wouldn't be a bad idea at all. I remember the last time I moved house - didn't do any music for almost a year, and when I first loaded everything back up, I had to reset everything. I'd forgotten what a head-scratching thing it can be. Every time I set up Cubase I tell myself I must remember how to do it, and note it all down, and every time I forget.

There must be an easier way of setting it all up. I still think Cubase in actual use is one of the most intuitive (i.e. you need to read the manual rarely) but its set up is byzantine. Does the latest version still have that silly file that you have to move one level up to stop midi delays? Steinberg regularly put up stickies in the Cubase.net forum to inform people about it. Year after year they answer multiple questions about the midi delays, and yet all they had to do was modify the installer to place the file on the right folder. Simple, but they didn't fix it version after version. So the user had to find out about this one little file and move it themselves to the right place. Lots of hair-pulling all over the world with that one I should imagine, and yet they manage to produce a DAW that is smooth and easy to use for most users in day to day actual use. And then there was that ridiculous stuff with the MS midi drivers, and I remember something about having to go through all the VST connections, unloading MS drivers, reloading my own drivers, all sorts of dicking around with it to get midi to play at all.

It seems like Steinberg just have moments of madness and perversity. I still dread the time when I'll have to set up C5 - I know I'll upgrade this time, and I also know I'll love the program - plenty enough features to make me upgrade this time. But I bet I'll still have to bang my head against a wall to get it working the first day. I suppose as with anything so flexible - they just can't have it auto set up to work with every combination of card, drivers and PC. Still drives me nuts though.

Must admit, I never once had a problem with the dongle or license centre though - in fact that always worked smoother than I expected it to. And my DAW isn't even connected to the net. Some things they do get right first time.

surfingo · Post by **surfingo** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:08 am

Never had a problem or crash on windows7 with reaper and commercial VST.
I switched from cubase mostly for that reason.
I also love the community, it's really awesome to ask for something and get it several days later (like inline midi editor), it's not a matter of bugfixes because at least for me reaper was always stable with really minor glitches on beta versions (wich some of them are bleeding edge)
Soon there will be out version 3 final and i hope you will try it, at least you can demo it heh

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:13 am

surfingo wrote:Never had a problem or crash on windows7 with reaper and commercial VST.
I switched from cubase mostly for that reason.
I also love the community, it's really awesome to ask for something and get it several days later (like inline midi editor), it's not a matter of bugfixes because at least for me reaper was always stable with really minor glitches on beta versions (wich some of them are bleeding edge)
Soon there will be out version 3 final and i hope you will try it, at least you can demo it heh

I'm not sure why there is all this talk about REAPER - I already said in the OP that I have tried it (several times and versions) and it is [1] not very stable for me at least and [2] FAR less feature rich than Cubase, [3] not suitable for my needs... but lets also add:

[4] For students on a tight budget I do continue to mention it... but the lack of staff notation is quite a deal-breaker for music students, and for only a small amount more the entry level version of Cubase offers that plus proper integration with the Cubase software they generally use at school anyway.

I'm not knocking REAPER - just saying it is totally irrelevant and OT for this thread. FWIW it's also irksome the frequency with which this happens in threads...

aaastronomer · Post by **aaastronomer** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:39 pm

so, how's c5 treating you now? i'm thinking about transitioning from sx3 to c5.

Cubase 5: Why I switched (headquest)