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I see no reason to run Truepianos off an external disk drive, as it DOES NOT STREAM SAMPLES FROM HARD DRIVE. It loads the samples that it uses in the RAM and that's it. Your investition in external hard drive was pretty much useless, unless you're gonna install some larger sample libraries to it.

Bottom line, V-Machine's CPU CANNOT SWALLOW "playing many chords with sustain". Same goes with Pianoteq 2/3, but that's even worse.
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DragonSagoth wrote:I see no reason to run Truepianos off an external disk drive, as it DOES NOT STREAM SAMPLES FROM HARD DRIVE. It loads the samples that it uses in the RAM and that's it. Your investition in external hard drive was pretty much useless, unless you're gonna install some larger sample libraries to it.

Bottom line, V-Machine's CPU CANNOT SWALLOW "playing many chords with sustain". Same goes with Pianoteq 2/3, but that's even worse.
I think I said the same thing a few pages back...

The wise choice is to ACCEPT THE LIMITS of this machine.

Danny said, in a Musikmesse interview, that the new V-Rack is 40 times more powerful than a V-Machine, this means that a V-Machine is 40 times slower than a Core 2 Duo @ 2,66 GHz... :hihi:

I think we sometimes misunderstand the meaning of numbers... :roll:
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I can only trust in GFLOPS number. How much GFLOPS has V-M's CPU, in contrast to Core2Duo 2.66 GHz, which has around 25 GFLOPS (25 BILLION floating point operations per second). If V-Machine is really 40 times slower, it's lowly CPU would have a measly 0.625 GFLOPS, which is a JOKE and I don't think it's true, more like SMPro is again overblowing things. So, I would like to know the EXACT CPU that's in the V-M, so I can compare them myself.

I don't believe anything SMPro says anymore, I'd like to see V-Rack in action with NON-BETA VFX software, and a competitive price tag.
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DragonSagoth wrote:I see no reason to run Truepianos off an external disk drive, as it DOES NOT STREAM SAMPLES FROM HARD DRIVE. It loads the samples that it uses in the RAM and that's it. Your investition in external hard drive was pretty much useless, unless you're gonna install some larger sample libraries to it.
This is the reply I got from the support:

the reason truepianos works better off a HDD is that this plugin, even the trial, has copy protection in it which looks for a serial number. Since flash does not have a serial number like a HDD this is why the plugin runs with higher CPU off flash, as it is continually looking for a serial number.
DragonSagoth wrote:Bottom line, V-Machine's CPU CANNOT SWALLOW "playing many chords with sustain". Same goes with Pianoteq 2/3, but that's even worse.
WTF...I have to totally agree with that, man... :hihi:
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ZioKiller wrote: The wise choice is to ACCEPT THE LIMITS of this machine.
I'd rather say that now I have to ruefully ACCEPT THE LIMITS of this machine :wink:
ZioKiller wrote:Danny said, in a Musikmesse interview, that the new V-Rack is 40 times more powerful than a V-Machine, this means that a V-Machine is 40 times slower than a Core 2 Duo @ 2,66 GHz... :hihi:

I think we sometimes misunderstand the meaning of numbers... :roll:
Wow, I've heard 20 times more powerful...now it's 40 times?! :shock:

Is it the V-Rack that's going up or the V-Machine that is going down???
:D :D :D
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I seem I heard 40... but I might be wrong.

What support gave you that answer? 4Front?
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delafuerte wrote:
mon8169 wrote: I play Truepianos from an usb stick and it doesn't choke...

Ramon
Well...it dependes on how you play it, if u simply play a chord there's no problem....but if u play many chords with sustain....it chokes!

This problem has been discussed quite a long here and with the support...so far this is the only solution to run it efficiently.
no, no, with sustain always pressed I can play as many chords as I want, let's say 100 notes (?¿), and it doesn't choke. I see the cpu metter reaches 100% with, let's say, 16 notes, but it stays there and there is no audible noise or crack or choke or anything else.... and I still can play more notes without having to depress the sustain pedal.... no problem.

Ramon
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ZioKiller wrote:I seem I heard 40... but I might be wrong.

What support gave you that answer? 4Front?
Smproaudio told me that, but after they had contacted 4front about it. 4front gave em this explanation!
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delafuerte wrote:
ZioKiller wrote:I seem I heard 40... but I might be wrong.

What support gave you that answer? 4Front?
Smproaudio told me that, but after they had contacted 4front about it. 4front gave em this explanation!
Yes, Truepianos looks for a Registry entry and if it's not there it tries to create it. I guess the V-machine doesn't save this entry so TruePianos is probably trying to create the entry (using hardware info from the harddrive) all the time (for every note?).

This is (V-machine not saving the registry-entry) probably the reason why the trial version of TruePianos doesn't expire on the V-machine.
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I wonder when the f..k we'll receive some news about the hardware upgrade and the new version of VFX soft....

:bang: :bang: :bang:
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delafuerte wrote:I wonder when the f..k we'll receive some news about the hardware upgrade and the new version of VFX soft....

:bang: :bang: :bang:
I have a feeling that there will be no upgrade for the existing V-Machine... I mean... you can't technically put a more powerful CPU into an enclosure that tiny, because of dimensions, because of heat dissipation issues, because of marketing issues...

But... this was just my feeling... Let's wait for an official answer.
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delafuerte wrote:
ZioKiller wrote: The wise choice is to ACCEPT THE LIMITS of this machine.
I'd rather say that now I have to ruefully ACCEPT THE LIMITS of this machine :wink:
ZioKiller wrote:Danny said, in a Musikmesse interview, that the new V-Rack is 40 times more powerful than a V-Machine, this means that a V-Machine is 40 times slower than a Core 2 Duo @ 2,66 GHz... :hihi:

I think we sometimes misunderstand the meaning of numbers... :roll:
Wow, I've heard 20 times more powerful...now it's 40 times?! :shock:

Is it the V-Rack that's going up or the V-Machine that is going down???
:D :D :D
Hi All,

To all these who say 20 times (vrack power compared to v-machine) or 40 times, it does not really matter what I said, some facts for you.

1. I am pretty sure I said at least 20 times, what ever I have said in the past on the forum I tried to put into facts.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html

Have a look at a benchmark pass for a PIII is it 130.... and an intel Core 2 Dua at 2.66, then add the 3 gig RAM, faster Bus speed, and there you go.. remember also that the application takes a certain amount of CPU.

In regards to new VFX software, I have asked for it to be released today or tomorrow.

In regards to new upgrade on the hardware, it is possible. Depends if customer will want to pay for it, from my point of view, the V-Machine is what it is, it is not TOO slow or ... it is what it is.. it is a product which you can do a hell of allot with, sure we want more CPU (me too) but more and more vendors are writing specific versions for it as we speak.

Anyway, more later.. must run.

Danny
The sun is going to shine in the morning, at least above the clouds.
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VFXAU wrote:
In regards to new VFX software, I have asked for it to be released today or tomorrow.

In regards to new upgrade on the hardware, it is possible. Depends if customer will want to pay for it, from my point of view, the V-Machine is what it is, it is not TOO slow or ... it is what it is..
Wretched speech by you, Danny...

...it's too easy to say "the V-Machine is what it is", a product has to be judged with its strengths and weaknesses, and the vendor can not simply says "that's my product and customers should accept it as it is".

First of all it is a marketing mistake...second it's not honest...third no product could never been criticized in this way...and last but not least, so far considering the ram upgrade and the external HDD, I've spent 700 euros for the V-Machine, so I claim the right to judge if its useful or not!

But...I don't want to continue anymore with this argument since it is clear that you have to bring grist to your mill. As I already said I have to ruefully accept the limit of the machine, since I can't do nothing else.

Talking about concrete things...it's "nice" to discover that what it seemed to be a "work in progress" upgrade (according to what you had said here in december and later)...now seems to be an hypothetical upgrade.

Well, BTW, I'd pay for it, for sure...I'd say not more than 100 €, considering what I've already spent.

Another possibility could be an upgrade offer towards V-Rack at least for those who bought the V-Machine during this months, substantially being "alpha" testers....but of course it will depend on the cost of it.

Moreover I really really hope that finally there will be soon at least the software update...IMHO this is so far the only good new from you.

Sorry for the length, guys...
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delafuerte wrote: Another possibility could be an upgrade offer towards V-Rack at least for those who bought the V-Machine during this months, substantially being "alpha" testers....but off course it will depend on the cost of it.

Moreover I really really hope that finally there will be soon at least the software update...IMHO this is so far the only good new from you.
good idea.. 8)
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good idea +1
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