We can't control what dealers are selling the unit for, our prices have not changed,we did not lower the price at all.raintalk wrote:Maybe it was just overpriced in the first place?vuckmachine wrote:The price drop in such a short time is ridiculous.
Early adopters always take this risk. Lowering the price always pisses off someone - SM Pro can't win this unless sales really do take off at the new price point. Maybe they'll drop again.
If it was the same price as a netbook I'd be in now.
V-Machine
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- KVRist
- 390 posts since 4 Dec, 2008
The sun is going to shine in the morning, at least above the clouds.
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- KVRist
- 336 posts since 15 Mar, 2006
Well you didn't set a MAPVFXAU wrote:
We can't control what dealers are selling the unit for, our prices have not changed,we did not lower the price at all.
It's being advertised for $520
http://www.zzounds.com/item--STOVMACHINE
This seems to be making some of your customer's angry.
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- KVRist
- 390 posts since 4 Dec, 2008
Hi,
I have referred this to the US distributor, but by law in EU and Australia we cannot set a price only a guide, in the USA a distributor can set a MAP.
I have referred this to the US distributor, but by law in EU and Australia we cannot set a price only a guide, in the USA a distributor can set a MAP.
The sun is going to shine in the morning, at least above the clouds.
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- KVRer
- 13 posts since 18 Dec, 2008 from IDAHO, USA
Like myself who bought it for full price and then couldn't even use it for a month until software was developed. And still am waiting for the software to work properly. Actually you do have control over the price. If I could actually synchronize to the V .Or be able to load via the usb stick without issues. For instance if I have two banks and try to upload them to the v the second bank will somehow get a missing dll message? What is that especially if the banks are identical with the exception of a different sample.Or if this forum, the only one really discussing this product btw. had some positive reviews. Retailer A might be able to sell the 50 or sixty v's they have sitting around plus the returned ones.. The price was lowered because a lack of confidence in this product. As well as incomplete software, incompatible plug ins. Complex info file creation for the less technically inclined. It cant even run Zios s Mr Ray 1.0 vst without choking.Promises of software updates that never come. Info files that have different reg info in them than whats on your computer. and why would you need to even mess with your registry to get a vsti work on this box? Not everybody is a programmer.I am an electrician how would you like to have e to rewire your house just to make your breakfast.And not one positive review on harmony central. You do have control of the price. If the product stood up to the advertised hype you could have asked more for it. Free your Vsts....truth is my best vsts are still trapped on my desktop.raintalk wrote:Well you didn't set a MAPVFXAU wrote:
We can't control what dealers are selling the unit for, our prices have not changed,we did not lower the price at all.
It's being advertised for $520
http://www.zzounds.com/item--STOVMACHINE
This seems to be making some of your customer's angry.
You make it if you try
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- KVRist
- 390 posts since 4 Dec, 2008
I will address each one of these as I can...
You don't need to do any WIZARDS or mess with any registry entries, the wizards are downloded for free from our website and we constantly update it with new versions, several vendors now offer software for the V-machine and more are adding titles and versions specifically for the V-Machine as we speak. we will also be increasing the software included with the v-machine and offering it to current users as well.
You will always have VST's which will not work on the V-Machine, no matter what CPU we put inside. The main thing for us is to make as much as possible work on it, it can certainly run many plugins which are out there in the market. I do how ever understand the frustration as well.
This is a known issue with the last revision of the software, it was discussed earlier, but in any case it has been addressed in the new version and this will be up today or during the weekend.funkyclav wrote: If I could actually synchronize to the V .Or be able to load via the usb stick without issues. For instance if I have two banks and try to upload them to the v the second bank will somehow get a missing dll message? What is that especially if the banks are identical with the exception of a different sample.
In defence of VFX, software development is an ongoing event, we don't stop development of a product like this, we have a certain amount of developers working on the project and they were working the last couple of months specifically on getting the MAC version out. Both are now compatible so when ever we do a PC update it automatically updates the MAC version.funkyclav wrote: As well as incomplete software, incompatible plug ins. Complex info file creation for the less technically inclined.
funkyclav wrote: Info files that have different reg info in them than whats on your computer. and why would you need to even mess with your registry to get a vsti work on this box? Not everybody is a programmer.
You don't need to do any WIZARDS or mess with any registry entries, the wizards are downloded for free from our website and we constantly update it with new versions, several vendors now offer software for the V-machine and more are adding titles and versions specifically for the V-Machine as we speak. we will also be increasing the software included with the v-machine and offering it to current users as well.
You will always have VST's which will not work on the V-Machine, no matter what CPU we put inside. The main thing for us is to make as much as possible work on it, it can certainly run many plugins which are out there in the market. I do how ever understand the frustration as well.
The sun is going to shine in the morning, at least above the clouds.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 13 Mar, 2009
The problem (for you) is what coud happen with this trend.VFXAU wrote:Hi,
I have referred this to the US distributor, but by law in EU and Australia we cannot set a price only a guide, in the USA a distributor can set a MAP.
A dealer lowers the price when is not possible to sell a product, but this means that margins drop (considering the fact that SM PRO has not changed its price). Others dealers arguably should align their price to be competitive.
But at a certain level it could be economically disadvantageous to continue selling a product with a very low margin.
In conclusion the dealer wont buy this product anymore...and this is a consideration that should seriously alarm SM PRO.
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- KVRist
- 390 posts since 4 Dec, 2008
Discounting happens all the time, I know in Germany they have a big issue with dealers including Thomann and Musik Store discouting against each other, not much we can do about it but continue our development and release new versions.delafuerte wrote:The problem (for you) is what coud happen with this trend.VFXAU wrote:Hi,
I have referred this to the US distributor, but by law in EU and Australia we cannot set a price only a guide, in the USA a distributor can set a MAP.
A dealer lowers the price when is not possible to sell a product, but this means that margins drop (considering the fact that SM PRO has not changed its price). Others dealers arguably should align their price to be competitive.
But at a certain level it could be economically disadvantageous to continue selling a product with a very low margin.
In conclusion the dealer wont buy this product anymore...and this is a consideration that should seriously alarm SM PRO.
The sun is going to shine in the morning, at least above the clouds.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 13 Mar, 2009
Well, behind a discount there is always a reason....VFXAU wrote: Discounting happens all the time, I know in Germany they have a big issue with dealers including Thomann and Musik Store discouting against each other, not much we can do about it but continue our development and release new versions.
...BTW Can't you give us some specification about the upgrade you are testing?
Why is so misterious?
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 13 Apr, 2009
Yes please, tell us more about the CPU update.
For me this is important to choose a v-machine or not. If a CPU update is not possible I will choose for a netbook/laptop on stage. A V-Rack is not an option for me.
So if you have any info please let us know.
For me this is important to choose a v-machine or not. If a CPU update is not possible I will choose for a netbook/laptop on stage. A V-Rack is not an option for me.
So if you have any info please let us know.
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- KVRist
- 32 posts since 14 Dec, 2008
Me too.. need to know about CPU upgrade, otherwise I need to move on..
For me, if it's not possible in the near future.. no problem, no hard feelings,
but I'm tired and I need to know.
C'mon VFXAU, show us your hand.
For me, if it's not possible in the near future.. no problem, no hard feelings,
but I'm tired and I need to know.
C'mon VFXAU, show us your hand.
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 23 Jul, 2005 from Texarkana,Arkansas
ptsound wrote:Me too.. need to know about CPU upgrade, otherwise I need to move on..
For me, if it's not possible in the near future.. no problem, no hard feelings,
but I'm tired and I need to know.
C'mon VFXAU, show us your hand.
Careful, that hand might not be empty!C'mon VFXAU, show us your hand
Keyboards make guitar players look silly....
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 23 Jul, 2005 from Texarkana,Arkansas
ptsound wrote:Careful, that hand might not be empty!
Better to see it and know where it's at than let it sneek up BEHIND you!
Keyboards make guitar players look silly....
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- KVRist
- 336 posts since 15 Mar, 2006
You're right, this isn't the only place at this price.delafuerte wrote:
The problem (for you) is what coud happen with this trend.
A dealer lowers the price when is not possible to sell a product, but this means that margins drop (considering the fact that SM PRO has not changed its price). Others dealers arguably should align their price to be competitive.
But at a certain level it could be economically disadvantageous to continue selling a product with a very low margin.
In conclusion the dealer wont buy this product anymore...and this is a consideration that should seriously alarm SM PRO.
They could be closing them out.
You can't have technology products sitting on the shelf - they go out of date in 6 months. SM Pro is already talking CPU upgrade.
V-rack looks like a better fit for me, but I'll have to wait 6 months after release for a good price, and maybe a CPU upgrade to it.
