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proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:13 pm

dupont wrote:
headquest wrote:
Ubiety wrote:
I'm sure Logic is great and all - ditto Mac computers - just not something my students have or - let's be honest here - need.
HI, I've been I logic 8 user for 1 year now and i can tell it is not so great, don't believe the hype and the music tech magazine.
I had to buy a imac only to run logic and I regret and prefer to run reaper under windows boot camp.

OSX is OK only for the net.

Never buy a mac or you will be a fustrated musician !

Would you mind elaborating? I was just about to move to Apple and Logic before C4 came out. It was impossible to finish a piece properly because so much time was spent dealing with crashes. Now C5 is here I'm finally finding out what I'm really capable of as a composer. However the "hype" over Logic has kept me intrigued and I'm surprised to hear some one be so scathing.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:23 pm

proletkult wrote:I was just about to move to Apple and Logic before C4 came out. It was impossible to finish a piece properly because so much time was spent dealing with crashes. Now C5 is here I'm finally finding out what I'm really capable of as a composer. However the "hype" over Logic has kept me intrigued and I'm surprised to hear some one be so scathing.

Logic 8 is really good and much easier to deal with than any previous version. Personally, I'm a Cubase die-hard and Logic 8 isn't good enough for me to even consider switching (especially compared to C5) but it's not cripplingly confusing the way Logic 6 was.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:01 pm

I am SO tempted to try Logic now that I have a MacBook but I don't wanna plunk down that kinda dough just for a quick joyride.

It looks REALLY good though. Maybe I'll do Logic Express or something.

Edit: Scratch that. Even $199 is too much for a demo.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:51 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I am SO tempted to try Logic now that I have a MacBook [...]

Seriously, it's still amazing me *how* effective Logic 8 is working on the latest bunch of Macs (including Macbooks of course).
Performance-wise, it absolutely beats some dedicated Windows workstation desktops as long as you use a lot of the included plugins (and they're quite good).
It's also really stable.

[...] but I don't wanna plunk down that kinda dough just for a quick joyride.

Also, before I'd spend so much money, I'd rather wait for the next version, if at all. IMO that one will show whether Apple is serious about developing it in a proper way. Featurewise the competition is already quite ahead, so there's stuff to care about for Apple in case they don't want to seriously lose the race.

- Sascha

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:36 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Seriously, it's still amazing me *how* effective Logic 8 is working on the latest bunch of Macs (including Macbooks of course).
Performance-wise, it absolutely beats some dedicated Windows workstation desktops as long as you use a lot of the included plugins (and they're quite good).
It's also really stable.

Wouldn't you say the same thing about Cubase or anything else? If everyone only stuck with the stock plug-ins and verified hardware, it would be easy for these companies to take care of stability issues.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:10 pm

agreed with Eric Uncle E about sticking with stock plugs making the DAW tool (whichever one) more stable. but then again...

... i also am a visual artist and i stopped using Carrara (3D modeling/rendering app) for my own stuff by version 5, and just worked with stock/included content to test each new version to see if it was finally usable and i ran into show stopping problems with basic features...

i suppose the same could be possible in a DAW app...

i also am very amused and in agreement with the statement about Logic 6 being cripplingly confusing. EVERYTHING from that company was GUI-stupid. Pretty, but without intuitiveness (or even standard GUI design concepts). SoundDiver (which i am amused to see is still available on PC in the form of dedicated OEM versions like Virus TI) was/is a freakin' nightmare... yet... what alernatives are there for hardware synth editing? Unisyn? Mac-only these days and only 16-bit old Windows versions (the old crapper came with my Alesis QS8... thing crashes if you breathe on it wrong... or run it). There's that cool *looking* universal MIDI editing product on Windows ("MIDI Quest" www.squest.com) that supports a boatload of hardware, but it's amazingly expensive for the full product (and i'm not one to buy into feature-limited versions) and i demoed version 9 and not found the GUI to be very sensible in a lot of ways like Unisyn and SoundDiver (oh look, version 10 is available as a demo now... hmmm). Hell, i should start a new thread about MIDI editors/librarians... (but i guess that's not very KVR, huh?) Anyone know of a converter for Unisyn libraries? i can't bare Unisyn but i have some libs for my Alesis QS8 and Yamaha TX802...

i'm still interested in what people find to be personal problem areas with Sonar that Cubase's ways make them feel more comfortable...

getthere · Post by **getthere** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:14 pm

This is how stupid I am. I bought:

Cubase 3
Cubase upgrad to studio 4
Logic 7.5
Logic 8
Ableton Live 6
Ableton Live 7
and Ableton Live 8

I have an addiction.

My fav so far is Live 8, mostly because of the extract groove from transients feature. People will have different opinions on this issue, but, say you really like the groove of a loop. I mean it just f*cking gets in your face! You can write a bassline for your song based on the transient locations of that loop. Hell, build a song out of it.

Reminder. I did say "loop", not "song". I would never steal somebody's groove! That's like dippin into their mojo dude!

Anyway, this thread is close to dead but I thought I would throw my hat in the ring! Mostly because I wanted to show how difficult it is to not buy a new DAW when it comes out.

I think that Live 8 is my baby for now. But, you have to admit logic 8 is pretty! I mean I just want to play with it because it looks so cool!

They all have their goods and bads, but now that Ableton has improved the midi limitations in Live, I'm there.

I spend more time with Live than I do with my wife. Unless she's cleaning the machinery while I'm writing a song. Talk about inspiration. After a long night of parting and various other debaucheries. It's a personal fav of mine. Sorry, couldn't resist. Back to the subject

Don't be like me, shop around before your lady friend inspires you. It's cheaper that way. But still fun!

Cap'n Spanky · Post by **Cap'n Spanky** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:23 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote: i'm still interested in what people find to be personal problem areas with Sonar that Cubase's ways make them feel more comfortable...

I was a Sonar user and generally happy. However, groove quantize was not working properly in Sonar (to be specific, not with Stylus RMX grooves in version 4). This was a feature that I used a lot so I switched to Cubase and I plan to stay there for the foreseeable future.

captain caveman · Post by **captain caveman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:30 pm

getthere wrote:This is how stupid I am. I bought:

Cubase 3
Cubase upgrad to studio 4
Logic 7.5
Logic 8
Ableton Live 6
Ableton Live 7
and Ableton Live 8

I have an addiction.

My fav so far is Live 8, mostly because of the extract groove from transients feature. People will have different opinions on this issue, but, say you really like the groove of a loop. I mean it just f*cking gets in your face! You can write a bassline for your song based on the transient locations of that loop. Hell, build a song out of it.

You can do that with Cubase SX3 and 4 too, it's a good feature to quickly get a some percussion loops that sound good together, but not with exactly the same groove, to gel too.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:36 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:SoundDiver (which i am amused to see is still available on PC in the form of dedicated OEM versions like Virus TI)

Maybe that explains all the TI problems we've been having lately.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:14 pm

getthere wrote: Logic 7.5

not to be picky, but wasn't 7.2.3 the last "logic pro" before 8? just wondering.

getthere · Post by **getthere** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:00 am

getthere · Post by **getthere** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:02 am

hibidy wrote:
getthere wrote: Logic 7.5
not to be picky, but wasn't 7.2.3 the last "logic pro" before 8? just wondering.

You may be right. But I still paid $1000 for it. Ahhhh! back in the day!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:19 am

getthere wrote:
hibidy wrote:
getthere wrote: Logic 7.5
not to be picky, but wasn't 7.2.3 the last "logic pro" before 8? just wondering.
You may be right. But I still paid $1000 for it. Ahhhh! back in the day!

Yeah.........me too.........

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:41 am

Uncle E wrote: Wouldn't you say the same thing about Cubase or anything else? If everyone only stuck with the stock plug-ins and verified hardware, it would be easy for these companies to take care of stability issues.

Of course, but at least regarding efficiency, Logic can't be beaten for the time being.
And hm..., regarding stability - well, I'm the first to complain about Apples ever changing ideas of a socalled plugin "standard", but by now, if you use an Intel Mac, if you use the latest OSX, the latest Logic and the latest versions of whatever AUs, the stability is really remarkable. Unless I'm fooling around with some beta versions of plugins, I can hardly make Logic crash these days.
Don't get me wrong, there's still those dreaded overload messages (I'm seeing them less than ever before, though) and there's that horrible lack of certain features (mainly in the audio area), but once you have a project up and running (meaning you're past some probably happening initial overload messages), Logic is incredibly reliable to work with these days.

My next slightly bigger investment into computers may end up being a powerful desktop PC running Cubase 5 (which I already have), though, go figure. I just don't iike Apples coporate tactics at all. And I want a host that is up to date, too.

- Sascha

Cubase 5: Why I switched (headquest)