KVR Audio

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:01 pm

B4 will run, Pianoteq won't get further than 5-6 notes of polyphony, Truepianos maybe more, but not much. You can use any sampled piano with Samplelord (naturally, Truepianos doesn't count, since it's combination of sampling and modelling) with around 50-60 notes of polyphony.

GSi Mr. Ray mkII is even better than Lounge Lizard and it runs well on V-M.

Potajito · Post by **Potajito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:07 pm

DragonSagoth wrote:B4 will run, Pianoteq won't get further than 5-6 notes of polyphony, Truepianos maybe more, but not much. You can use any sampled piano with Samplelord (naturally, Truepianos doesn't count, since it's combination of sampling and modelling) with around 50-60 notes of polyphony.

GSi Mr. Ray mkII is even better than Lounge Lizard and it runs well on V-M.

That's nice to know, so do you recomend me getting a v machine for what i want? Any nice sampled piano? Does the v machine has any problem with sampled pianos that need authoring? Or any plug in like b4.
Thanks!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:10 pm

Well, as I'm not using sampled pianos anymore, not since Pianoteq 3 went out, I couldn't recommend it for that. V-Rack is gonna be much better and have much more power.

But, if the CPU upgrade for V-Machine shows more capable, then it might be a good buy for you.

About samples that need authoring, that depends on the method of authorisation. Native Instruments plugins will soon be perfectly playable on V-M, too.

Potajito · Post by **Potajito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:37 pm

DragonSagoth wrote:Well, as I'm not using sampled pianos anymore, not since Pianoteq 3 went out, I couldn't recommend it for that. V-Rack is gonna be much better and have much more power.

But, if the CPU upgrade for V-Machine shows more capable, then it might be a good buy for you.

About samples that need authoring, that depends on the method of authorisation. Native Instruments plugins will soon be perfectly playable on V-M, too.

The v rack is a bit too expensive for me, I may wait for the cpu upgrade, but probably will raise the v machine price?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:30 pm

Probably, estimated between 100 and 200 dollars.

VFXAU · Post by **VFXAU** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:05 am

Potajito wrote:Hi, I would like to know if the v-machine is right for me. I want to play truepianos (or pianoteq), b4, and an electric piano, like lounge lizard (not simultaneously). Can I do this with the v machine? I've heard that you can't run truepianos without the vmachine choking, but I understand things have changed with samplelord now?
Thanks!

With Sample Lord you can certainly play any compatible sample library without any issues. Which piano in TRUE PIANOS? right now the simple issue with Truepianos is that is checks for serial number of a HDD, so running it from an external USB2 HDD is no problem. Running it internally does not work well as it keeps looking for the serial number. Serveral other good quality SF2 library Pianos are available in the market as well (which sample lord can play) The rest of your requests are fine. AAS plugins like lounge lizard also work but it is an issue of authorisation, the goods news is that they have supplied us with a method of doing this now and it will be added to the software shortly. (An easy way to authorise the plugin)

MatthewSkinner · Post by **MatthewSkinner** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:48 am

DARKSPAWN wrote: Yes would be great to have cakewalk Beatscape

I just got Beatscape running on the V-Machine. If you want to help out with testing the plugin then open a ticket asking for the wizard at
http://smproaudio.helpserve.com

MatthewSkinner · Post by **MatthewSkinner** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:33 am

ptsound wrote:Hi,
Anyone know whether Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano will work with The V?
Does it load into Samplelord??

I dont see why it wont after we have released support for NI plugins as that library uses NI Kontakt. We have the Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano library here. I just tried to use the library in samplelord directly and you can not as the library uses NI's encryption and copy protection. You could get the library working in samplelord if you used the extreme sample converter and its "VSTi Converter" feature to rip the sounds out of kontact and into another format. You can do this with any plugin or hardware synth.

Take a look at the following products which allow you to clone/rip/copy the sounds out of a VSTi or hardware synth into a file format which samplelord or another sample playback plugin can use.

The extreme sample converter
http://www.extranslator.com/

The samplelord VM plugin
http://www.samplelord.com/index.php?page=vm

Chicken systems translator
http://www.chickensys.com/support/softw ... status.php

http://www.samplerobot.com/was.htm

ptsound · Post by **ptsound** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:45 am

MatthewSkinner wrote:
ptsound wrote:Hi,
Anyone know whether Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano will work with The V?
Does it load into Samplelord??
I dont see why it wont after we have released support for NI plugins as that library uses NI Kontakt. We have the Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano library here. I just tried to use the library in samplelord directly and you can not as the library uses NI's encryption and copy protection. You could get the library working in samplelord if you used the extreme sample converter and its "VSTi Converter" feature to rip the sounds out of kontact and into another format. You can do this with any plugin or hardware synth.

Take a look at the following products which allow you to clone/rip/copy the sounds out of a VSTi or hardware synth into a file format which samplelord or another sample playback plugin can use.

Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Excuse me for my ignorance as I've never used samplers but i'm wondering what's the catch, there must be some compromise when using samplelord..
It sounds to me that samplelord/extreme sample could solve all(most) V-machine problems so why haven't you bundled it in.. or why hasn't everyone just purchased it... Is it that there's further loading time so patch changes are longer?
Mainly my question is:
Is there a noticeable difference in sound quality or behavior in playability after a VSTi has been converted by samplelord/extreme and played back by the V-machine?... any latency issues?
would you consider converting Art Vista Virtual Grand?
would it sound and respond the same? any drawbacks?

Sorry for all the questions but I've bought the V-machine, but can't afford to just buy all of these other products just to experiment..
Thank you,
P.T

VFXAU · Post by **VFXAU** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:35 am

ptsound wrote:
MatthewSkinner wrote:
ptsound wrote:Hi,
Anyone know whether Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano will work with The V?
Does it load into Samplelord??
I dont see why it wont after we have released support for NI plugins as that library uses NI Kontakt. We have the Art Vista Virtual Grand Piano library here. I just tried to use the library in samplelord directly and you can not as the library uses NI's encryption and copy protection. You could get the library working in samplelord if you used the extreme sample converter and its "VSTi Converter" feature to rip the sounds out of kontact and into another format. You can do this with any plugin or hardware synth.

Take a look at the following products which allow you to clone/rip/copy the sounds out of a VSTi or hardware synth into a file format which samplelord or another sample playback plugin can use.
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Excuse me for my ignorance as I've never used samplers but i'm wondering what's the catch, there must be some compromise when using samplelord..
It sounds to me that samplelord/extreme sample could solve all(most) V-machine problems so why haven't you bundled it in.. or why hasn't everyone just purchased it... Is it that there's further loading time so patch changes are longer?
Mainly my question is:
Is there a noticeable difference in sound quality or behavior in playability after a VSTi has been converted by samplelord/extreme and played back by the V-machine?... any latency issues?
would you consider converting Art Vista Virtual Grand?
would it sound and respond the same? any drawbacks?

Sorry for all the questions but I've bought the V-machine, but can't afford to just buy all of these other products just to experiment..
Thank you,
P.T

Hi, First I will say that Special version for the V-Machine is being made right now (from SampleLord) also a free version is available. The question of DIFFERENCE IN SOUND is not so easy to answer, certainly certain plugs which have after touch and change based of TIME LINE (LFO etc) will be different, the sound quality itself should not change. It depends also how well it is sampled (how many keys, velocities etc). You will certainly notice longer time to load patches. The only way to fix that is load several samples in different midi channels and just change the midi channel.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:01 am

...and then the maximum RAM limit comes into play.

Seriously, there's no point in sampling VA or wavetable or FM synths. At least I don't see one. There's so much expression lost.

VFXAU · Post by **VFXAU** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:25 pm

DragonSagoth wrote:...and then the maximum RAM limit comes into play.

Seriously, there's no point in sampling VA or wavetable or FM synths. At least I don't see one. There's so much expression lost.

No.. that is not right.. you don't have any limitation of sample size with samplelord or any straming sample player, you should know that by now. You can hang a 250gig hard drive from the unit (or any size for that matter).

But I do agree with you that running synths etc is much nicer for expression although it depends what sound the user needs or wants.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:50 pm

Of course, samplelord streams the greater part from the hard drive... but you're STILL limited with 1 GB of max RAM it can load of beginnings of samples!

delafuerte · Post by **delafuerte** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:34 pm

Potajito wrote:Hi, I would like to know if the v-machine is right for me. I want to play truepianos (or pianoteq), b4, and an electric piano, like lounge lizard (not simultaneously). Can I do this with the v machine? I've heard that you can't run truepianos without the vmachine choking, but I understand things have changed with samplelord now?
Thanks!

It could be right for you if you dont want to play these vst togheter...forget it, you will get cpu overload as fast as you can, with all that this implies.

Note that truepianos requires a HDD external disk to run decently (but playing very "full" I can get it chokes also in this way

)).

If instead your songs requires just one sound maybe VM could be right for you; in a matter of fact I don't think there are so many keyboard players that need in the same song piano and hammond togheter.....(this is sarcasm, ok?!)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:31 am

It is very sporadic, as some people can run Truepianos without the external hard drive :/ In fact Truepianos do not stream anything from the hard drive at all, so that's weird.