Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[christianmusicmaker]

Disappointing that there are no editing tools. No reverse/normalize/stretch/pitch...nothing

You MUST be kidding? Surely these basic tools will be added. The final is due out in September so there is plenty of time.

Quoting Tage from PH: "The audio editing is very bare bones - it's totally not the focus for this program. Audio editing is limited to handling audio clips with fades etc.". You can manually cut it with the razor and thats about it.

[vanpet]

so the focus is not audio editing, not midi editing, not virtual instrument playing, not complex mixing, not mastering, ... ??? what is the focus?

did i get something wrong? is it a word processor?

[spaceman]

so the focus is not audio editing, not midi editing, not virtual instrument playing, not complex mixing, not mastering, ... ??? what is the focus?

did i get something wrong? is it a word processor?

yes, modelled on an SSL console

[blank/diod]

Also, let's ban VST plugins since they don't have full DAW functionality. All products must have everything. Mixing and matching is a sin.

Whilst you're normally sensible, this is a bit of a stretch. Whilst VST hosting would be nice, all that's really required is record to be a rewire host.

It wouldn't add any 'bloat' but would add a lot of flexibility.

That's not really what I was talking about, I was being sarcastic over the notion of VST plugin fans insisting that an application must have everything and there can be no componentizing... so what do they think VST plugins are if not little bits that you buy separately to stick in a host?

Anyway... there are lots of issues with VST plugins that make them poor candidates for Record/Reason integration. We can skip the the tired stability argument and consider another example:

The rack paradigm. All Reason devices have a fixed width, adhere to the same scale and live in the same 'physical' space. VST plugins on the other hand can look like anything. Some are effing heee-uge and have cables on the front(hello Arturia Moog V), some are absolutely tiny. Some have piano keys. Some are a picture of a drumkit, a grand piano or frets and strings. Some have a back side, some have just a front. None of them have the typical CV and audio ports found on Reason devices, obviously. The rack would look like crap on both the back (where most VST plugs would just have a blank surface, I guess) and the front. The only way to get them into a Propellerhead rack would be to have some sort of generic VST rack units with a button that would open the panel in a floating window or whatever. To make a long story short, it would no longer be Record/Reason but more of a frankenstein's monster that would make a ReWire setup look like heaven.

[blank/diod]

so the focus is not audio editing, not midi editing, not virtual instrument playing, not complex mixing, not mastering, ... ??? what is the focus?

I take it that the product name wasn't sufficiently self-explanatory?

Well then - it's for recording audio. With the emphasis on recording.
A product that specializes on beat mangling, loop mashing, stuttering, non-linear sequencing and other electronica-type stuff would probably not be called "Record" since the aforementioned functionality is the polar opposite of recording.

[spaceman]

so the focus is not audio editing, not midi editing, not virtual instrument playing, not complex mixing, not mastering, ... ??? what is the focus?

I take it that the product name wasn't sufficiently self-explanatory?

Well then - it's for recording audio. With the emphasis on recording.
A product that specializes on beat mangling, loop mashing, stuttering, non-linear sequencing and other electronica-type stuff would probably not be called "Record" since the aforementioned functionality is the polar opposite of recording.

good thing it's not called Quantize then

[bmanic]

Disappointing that there are no editing tools. No reverse/normalize/stretch/pitch...nothing

You MUST be kidding? Surely these basic tools will be added. The final is due out in September so there is plenty of time.

Quoting Tage from PH: "The audio editing is very bare bones - it's totally not the focus for this program. Audio editing is limited to handling audio clips with fades etc.". You can manually cut it with the razor and thats about it.

Holy crap! Ok.. I guess I'll ignore recommending this stuff to anybody then.

Cheers!
bManic

[fgimian]

To be honest, the only thing I really want to try out is the SSL emulation, shame that there aren't any good low-priced SSL emulations in VST land. Once again, if only Reason (and Record) were VST plugins .etc

[Zargon the Destroyer]

Weird.

If it's basically Garage Band (My First DAW) then why bother with the modelled SSL stuff? And all the fairly elaborate-looking insert/send stuff?

Talk about answering a question nobody asked...

[headquest]

Oooh... disappointing.

[djanthonyw]

To be honest, the only thing I really want to try out is the SSL emulation, shame that there aren't any good low-priced SSL emulations in VST land. Once again, if only Reason (and Record) were VST plugins .etc

The Glue?

[mellotronaut]

Yes I agree.

One question I have (... @ blank/diod ...?) -

With Record + Reason, will it be possible to use the ReGroove mixer within Record?

Sure, ReGroove is present in Record as well, there's a 'G' button on the far right of the transport panel. Owning Reason isn't a requirement.

Now that is really awesome

+1 and more

[fgimian]

To be honest, the only thing I really want to try out is the SSL emulation, shame that there aren't any good low-priced SSL emulations in VST land. Once again, if only Reason (and Record) were VST plugins .etc

The Glue?

Oh yeah, will check that out again, thx for reminding me.

[pdxindy]

so the focus is not audio editing, not midi editing, not virtual instrument playing, not complex mixing, not mastering, ... ??? what is the focus?

I take it that the product name wasn't sufficiently self-explanatory?

Well then - it's for recording audio. With the emphasis on recording.
A product that specializes on beat mangling, loop mashing, stuttering, non-linear sequencing and other electronica-type stuff would probably not be called "Record" since the aforementioned functionality is the polar opposite of recording.

Hard to see how this appeals, except for Reason owners. For non-commercial use, Reaper is $50 ($250 less that Record) and it is great at recording audio, fully functional demo, and lets you use any 3rd party effects you want.

For Reason users, looks okay since it is half off and much more functional.

[JediMind]

Wait, can you import audio? It would be nice if you could use the mixer and compressor for mastering purposes.