Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[shamann]

That's cool. If your principles are worth more than being able to use the tools you want to use, then stick with the principles, I hear they're really great for generating sound.

Of all the things that unsettle me in this thread, I find this statement the most unsettling.

[Amberience]

So... This is for people who are damn good musicians, who just don't know anything about computers or recording? If you can't stretch or change the pitch of that audio you'll be doing a lot of takes I'm assuming? Kind of odd that a program that is supposed to be easy to use for beginner's or non-professional's would assume that they could also play perfectly in time... Unless I missed something in that overview. Hmmm...

Are you living in a bubble? There are plenty of musicians out there who are amazing at their instrument, but just don't know DAW software well enough.

I live in Charlotte, NC. And... I've been playing guitar for 30 years, and very rarely do I hit a "perfect take"... It's more about finding a take you like, mixing bits of various takes (if you can, that is) and not having to re-record over and over again... Sort of how Pro-Tools became an industry standard... so many shitty musicians

I manage a perfect take pretty much first time.. but then again... I rehearse my arse off until it's perfected.

[Amberience]

Listen to how professional this track sounds http://digg.com/u134k5

[longbongsilver]

I'm assuming since Record can directly load Reason instruments, that now means that you can sample (read: record audio, cut, then drag and drop) into NNXT and ReDrum using it.

Am I correct?

[headquest]

Really? I wonder if they plan on doing that with Reason too... if that's the case then I'll be uninstalling my NFR even though I hardly ever use it. I won't be supporting anymore companies that use dongles.

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Not just any old dongle though - a special innovative one... you can still use Record without the dongle, it's just that you can't, erm, open any of your projects...

[AmpliFuzz]

Err ... so all that granular elastic audio goodness and it's not possible to do advanced audio editing (elastic snap to grid, Ableton-like) with it? WTF?

[diverdee]

I'm hoping it allows tight integration with an external audio editor of ones' choice - i'd be fairly happy with that.
for someone like me who mainly uses just Reason nowadays this would be a welcome addition - a tightly coded (it's the props) & tightly integrated rewire host, it's kinda all I need personally.
Might jump on the Beta @ some point to check it out.

[djanthonyw]

I think the best use for dongles would be to have the devs sit on them. It might make them feel better instead of f*cking their customers.

That's cool. If your principles are worth more than being able to use the tools you want to use, then stick with the principles, I hear they're really great for generating sound.

The only products that require a dongle and IMO don't have a viable, non-dongled alternative is the Korg stuff. I'm not interested in Record, but I do have Reason, so the Propellerheads decision on this still pisses me off. If they decide to use a dongle for Reason then they just lost any possibility of me upgrading.

Cubase has been dongle-protected for 20 years and is (or at least used to be) the best selling music software of all time, so apparently there are more users who are more keen on protecting *their* investment than giving it away to pirates.

Dongle protection has been breached countless times, the solution isn't to punish your customers. There are a few users that don't mind it, but there are plenty of users that do. I for one like using software that is really just... software.

If you think purchasing products that use a dongle is a great way to "protect your investment" you might as well purchase the same software you already purchased... it's an even better way to further protect *your* investment.

[zion7]

I really don't see how the Props are going to survive in the long term. All of Reason's modules are completely obsolete by today, there are free VSTs that do what any Reason component does (not to mention the vastly superior commercial products). This Record thing seems to be for novice producers/songwriters to get introduced into the recording world, or Reason users. Why would anybody with a serious DAW switch to Record? Props should have turned themselves into a company that makes crucial plugins. A good enough plugin can sell for $250 on the market. Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people. Why make software that can record but can barely manipulate the recording? I mean what are you people seeing in this product that I am not (besides the interesting timestretch, which isn't enough to warrant a switch). This type of bad strategy is exactly why Reason fell behind from its glory days. I hoped to get something special from the Props but this is certainly not it.

[blank/diod]

That's cool. If your principles are worth more than being able to use the tools you want to use, then stick with the principles, I hear they're really great for generating sound.

Of all the things that unsettle me in this thread, I find this statement the most unsettling.

Aha. And you don't find it unsettling or the least bit weird that the tools matter less than their copy protection? "This is my favorite product and the one I'm most productive with, but it comes with this little plastic stick that I don't like, so I'm going to to settle for whatever second best that doesn't come with a plastic stick". Mmmmkay...

[ehdyn]

I really don't see how the Props are going to survive in the long term. All of Reason's modules are completely obsolete by today, there are free VSTs that do what any Reason component does (not to mention the vastly superior commercial products). This Record thing seems to be for novice producers/songwriters to get introduced into the recording world, or Reason users. Why would anybody with a serious DAW switch to Record? Props should have turned themselves into a company that makes crucial plugins. A good enough plugin can sell for $250 on the market. Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people. Why make software that can record but can barely manipulate the recording? I mean what are you people seeing in this product that I am not (besides the interesting timestretch, which isn't enough to warrant a switch). This type of bad strategy is exactly why Reason fell behind from its glory days. I hoped to get something special from the Props but this is certainly not it.

Just picking you as an example for no particular Reason.
Why are you talking about Propellerheads viability when you don't understand the program?

Propellerheads are going to be fine because they've invented technology that is going to have all of the DAW's not just looking over their shoulder but begging for a chance to license the tech.
This doesnt just make all timestreching efforts before it look ancient.
It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.
Because of the extreme malleability of the hybrid data format you no longer need the flexibility that MIDI previously afforded you.

Having seen and heard it in person at the producers conference I will definitely purchase and record my next album with it.

Record will cause a Revolution in Recording

[Muzik 4 Machines]

dongled? guess reason 4 was my last prop product, damn, do they think and read forums at all?

[koolkeys]

The only products that require a dongle and IMO don't have a viable, non-dongled alternative is the Korg stuff.

For me, there is far more than that. Heck, just considering Altiverb and VSL, there isn't an equal that doesn't use a dongle for either one of them.

I now use Cubase as well, which is pretty darn good. And some people prefer to work with it and don't feel there is an alternative for them.

So for some people, there are alternatives. For others, the best products available for their uses just happen to have a dongle. And I would rather have better tools as opposed to making a statement any day of the week. But again, that's just me. Of course, it's not just a few users that don't mind it. Most professional studios have at least one dongle, and some dongled software is the best selling in it's field. So it's much more than a "few people".

Fortunately, we all work differently and prefer different tools. So you can not like dongles and I can be fine with them, and neither one is "wrong" in their thinking. Wonderful world, i'nt it?

Brent

[robogone]

Are you living in a bubble?

I live in Charlotte, NC.

So yes to the bubble question then.

[mellotronaut]

I really don't see how the Props are going to survive in the long term. All of Reason's modules are completely obsolete by today, there are free VSTs that do what any Reason component does (not to mention the vastly superior commercial products). This Record thing seems to be for novice producers/songwriters to get introduced into the recording world, or Reason users. Why would anybody with a serious DAW switch to Record? Props should have turned themselves into a company that makes crucial plugins. A good enough plugin can sell for $250 on the market. Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people. Why make software that can record but can barely manipulate the recording? I mean what are you people seeing in this product that I am not (besides the interesting timestretch, which isn't enough to warrant a switch). This type of bad strategy is exactly why Reason fell behind from its glory days. I hoped to get something special from the Props but this is certainly not it.

i think, you're totally wrong, but you have the biggest one, granted