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Breeze wrote:But compute requirements of this would be extraordinary, much greater than a simple reverb because what would be required is no less than a off-line high-speed rendering of what the input signal would have created with the altered parameters and a smooth morphing of that result with the current results. In essence you'd have to quick travel into the past and fast forward to the current state and transition smoothly from one to the other.
Well I'm not sure if all that would really be necessary. Maybe a couple of the parameters are very problematic, but I think most of them could be glitchless with much less trouble. For instance, I think Aether is the only reverb I've used where tweaking the EQ parameters during playback results in discontinuities, so I'd imagine those can be programmed glitchless without bending backwards.
But in the meantime, something like that would be possible by simply crossfading of acoustic space; you could kind of do that by using several instances of Aether and crossfading from one to another. Technically 2C could do something like that by muting the current input and feeding a second engine with the new parameters, but your compute goes up for every engine instance.
Yeah, I've done this but the results are something different. Crossfading between, say, a reverb with large space and a reverb with a small space ends up sounding like a crossfade between two spaces. It can be fairly convincing for creating an impression of transitioning from one room/space to another (stepping from a tunnel to the street), but not much more than that. With actually automatable reverb you could much more, say, an impression of a space increasing or decreasing in size...

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Hello from Greece everyone! Nice weather here in Crete! ;-) I'm not real connected to the computer at the moment as you might imagine, but I am checking in once in a while.

We intend to improve real-time automation in a future update as mentioned.

We agree that this could be an interesting area to explore...

OK must go... the GF has found me on the computer again and I am now in trouble... ;-)

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Hah, nice to see that you're actively checking user feedback even on vacation! Though it might be abvisable to take a break from KVR during the vacation 8)

Anyway, nuff said about the automation issue for now I guess, but I'll drop in a couple of other comments about Aether. You can comment on them once you return from your vacation.

First a BR about the ER Spaces. When I change the ER space either by clicking on the image or by selecting from the list and have the ER link off, the new space doesn't take effect until I've clicked on or turned one of the knobs. This makes auditioning the spaces very cumbersome. Also, clicking on one of them isn't enough. After I've selected the new space, I have to click either size, position or shape and in addition the color knob to get all the parameters updated. (I've tested this both in Cubase SX3 and Energy XT 1.4)

Then a FR about the ER spaces. The pictures are kind of nice but give actually fairly little info about the ER. Also, the grouping to Musical, Narrow, Urban etc is not often the way you'd think about the ER. If I find an ER space that's quite close to what I want and want to audition similar ones, sometimes the perceptually close ER Spaces might be on the far end of the list in a different category. I'd find it more useful if the ER Spaces were grouped according to some central perceptually relevant parameter, such as length of the ER (or density) and that the image would be something informative instead, such as: example 1 (or in mono) or example 2. A good, well calibrated sonogram display (which my example is not) could give a lot of info about the ER, such as it's length, density, stereo activity, and spectral color. Of course it would be a good idea to offer both options to visualize and arrange the ER Spaces - the "impressionistic" one used now and a more detailed, "scientific" one like what I'm suggesting...

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Bump.

Just coz it's THAT good!! :wink:

Hd

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I have good news for Windows 7 users!!!

There is no noise sound when you change any parameters in real-time in the reverb, you can also change presets...without any noise sounds... it is all clean. I am not sure why, I am very impressed with Windows 7...I get more stable DPC Latency also...less spikes..

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Hey Andrew,

I bought Aether via the group buy knowing it wasn't compatible with OSX 10.4.x yet, but with the hope that you'd fix that in the next rev. So, my question is when is the next rev due? (And do you need another beta-tester? :D)

Thanks!
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I didn't know anything about an incompatibility issue with osx 10.4..

Could this be why Aether resets itself back to the default settings every-time I reopen a session? (Live 8, MBP osx 10.4.11)

What are the known problems? :?

Cheers

Hd

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heavensdaw wrote:Could this be why Aether resets itself back to the default settings every-time I reopen a session? (Live 8, MBP osx 10.4.11)
Ok, I take that back.. :oops: It's Not that Aether is resetting itself.. It is that the title window reads 'untitled', ie. not the name of the preset that I was using/tweaking.. But the settings are as I left them..

Oh yeah did anyone mention how great this reverb sounds yet? :hihi:

Hd

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Blackinfinity wrote:I have good news for Windows 7 users!!!

There is no noise sound when you change any parameters in real-time in the reverb, you can also change presets...without any noise sounds... it is all clean. I am not sure why, I am very impressed with Windows 7...I get more stable DPC Latency also...less spikes..
I'd like to see it work that way on a mac! :love:

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heavensdaw wrote:I didn't know anything about an incompatibility issue with osx 10.4..
It's a known bug I was talking to them about a few weeks ago: the UI simply doesn't work. Doesn't respond to any mouse inputs, nuthin'. With the full version you can't even put in you serial #. Apparently this also effects certain users in 10.5.x, so they know it needs to be addressed. I'm sure Andrew and Denis are on it!
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Any similar problems on the Windows side, specifically on Vista? It seems I can't get the serial number to 'take'. I know I'm inputting the correct number because I get the good karma message, etc. But then when I restart the host it's unregistered again.
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Sequent wrote:Any similar problems on the Windows side, specifically on Vista? It seems I can't get the serial number to 'take'. I know I'm inputting the correct number because I get the good karma message, etc. But then when I restart the host it's unregistered again.
We have not seen this issue on Windows as of yet. On Mac OSX this is a "Permissions" issue (i.e. on some systems, user's permissions are not set correct for their system drive, or they try to install as a non-admin user, and the file which stores authorization can not be written to the hard-drive.)

I am not certain if something similar could happen on Win or not. We will investigate. You may try the same checks though: i.e. make sure you have write permission to the needed file by being sure to install under the admin user.

I'm typing from the airpot so I will try to write more later...

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I think Vista does indeed have the same sort of permissions setup going on. I thought I was set as administrator, but perhaps I wasn't. I'll double-check and report back here.

Thanks for the suggestions... and I would say writing from the airport is above and beyond, but I appreciate your dedication to customer support!

Having been able to try Aether out on that notebook though... I have to say I was completely floored. This is definitely the first plug-in algo reverb that I've experienced that can most certainly give the big hardware boxes a run for their money. I am SO happy I was able to jump in on the GB.

Definite multiple kudos to you and Denis on a job well done!!! :D
Galbanum wrote:
Sequent wrote:Any similar problems on the Windows side, specifically on Vista? It seems I can't get the serial number to 'take'. I know I'm inputting the correct number because I get the good karma message, etc. But then when I restart the host it's unregistered again.
We have not seen this issue on Windows as of yet. On Mac OSX this is a "Permissions" issue (i.e. on some systems, user's permissions are not set correct for their system drive, or they try to install as a non-admin user, and the file which stores authorization can not be written to the hard-drive.)

I am not certain if something similar could happen on Win or not. We will investigate. You may try the same checks though: i.e. make sure you have write permission to the needed file by being sure to install under the admin user.

I'm typing from the airpot so I will try to write more later...
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Why does the screen go black when I open the gui the first time? Not a deal killer but weird behaviour for a plugin - like it's taking over the graphics subsystem on its own

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aMUSEd wrote:Why does the screen go black when I open the gui the first time? Not a deal killer but weird behaviour for a plugin - like it's taking over the graphics subsystem on its own
known issue, being investigated
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