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grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:12 pm

Hello all,

this is just an idea/question/suggestion/me gassing off after a day spent writing essays when everyone else in the uk has been enjoying the bank holiday sun!!

I own an Alesis Ion and one of the many things I love about it is the fact that it has modelled filters of classic hardware synths like moogs, jupiters, oberheims etc etc and I find this very useful. I find that the different filters bring the perceived (modelled) characteristics from those hardware synths to the sounds that I apply them to.

For example, if for instance I created a pad then I would normally use one or maybe two jupiter filters as I know this gives the sound a very nice, soft, thick kind of sound. If I made a lead then more often than not I would use a moog filter as it sounds quite agressive etc

I was just wondering if Urs has ever considered doing the same- modelling filters from hardware synths and including them in Zebra?

Is it worth it? Is it too much effort to go to? Am I being a tool and the filters already do the same thing I've been talking about? Would it make a great sounding soft synth sound even better? How many questions can one man ask in one post?

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:37 am

There are already a bunch of different models in the filter plus the XMF modules.

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Sun May 24, 2009 8:25 am

MitchK1989 wrote:There are already a bunch of different models in the filter plus the XMF modules.

Indeed there are. Do you think including filters that are modelled on hardware synths would add anything to Zebra?

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:56 pm

grandmasterbird wrote:
MitchK1989 wrote:There are already a bunch of different models in the filter plus the XMF modules.
Indeed there are. Do you think including filters that are modelled on hardware synths would add anything to Zebra?

I don't think there's any real reason to try to specifically recreate certain hardware filters in Zebra unless they are drastically different from the current filters. Even then, it would be better to emulate the specific parts of the filter that make it desirable then add more things. Probably the main thing I'd enjoy in Zebra as far as analog-modeled filters would be a MS-20 style filter in case we wanted to get really grungy with resonance.

JediMind · Post by **JediMind** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:00 pm

Oh man, there are so many possibilities in Zebra. Do you really need more filters?

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:20 pm

JediMind wrote:Oh man, there are so many possibilities in Zebra. Do you really need more filters?

Need? No.

I can't think of ANYTHING that zebra NEEDS and my top on my list of wants would be more modulation options before more sound options (unless the new sound options contains a pitch shifter, because that would be awesome in zebrify

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:24 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:I can't think of ANYTHING that zebra NEEDS and my top on my list of wants would be more modulation options before more sound options.

Zebra 2.5 will have a 12 slot mod matrix

Peace,
Andy.

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:35 pm

JediMind wrote:Oh man, there are so many possibilities in Zebra. Do you really need more filters?

point taken!

Zebra does have an incredible amount of features as it is and it sounds great as well.

An MS20 style filter... I hadnt considered that....hmmmmmm........ that would be ace!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:44 pm

There are 7 LP filters types if i count correctly in the VCF. How do you know they're not already modeled after classic hardware filters ? Maybe he did and did'nt feel like dealing with copyright issues,licensing or maybe just felt it was kinda tacky to market them as such.

It is kinda cool and all to know that they're modeled after classic filter X but does it really matter if they sound good ?

Or say you model a classic filter and it is really close to the original but changing it in some way would make it even "better". Would you prefer it to stay closer to the original or would you like it "better" ?

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:48 pm

jupiter8 wrote:There are 7 LP filters types if i count correctly in the VCF.

There's actually 10 LP filter types!

The two Vintage LP models and the 24dbLP in the XMF were added later and are not shown in the manual.

Echo Voodoo · Post by **Echo Voodoo** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:19 am

One of the things I like about U-He products (aside from their high quality and ease of use) is that they don't go out of their way to emulate anything. They stand on their own.

I'm not suggesting that it's bad to emulate already-existing synths, filters, effects, etc. - there are many great products out there that do exactly that. But because U-He stuff isn't trying to emulate anything, it isn't limited by the preconceptions that come with previously-existing products.

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:19 am

jupiter8 wrote:There are 7 LP filters types if i count correctly in the VCF. How do you know they're not already modeled after classic hardware filters ? Maybe he did and did'nt feel like dealing with copyright issues,licensing or maybe just felt it was kinda tacky to market them as such.

It is kinda cool and all to know that they're modeled after classic filter X but does it really matter if they sound good ?

Or say you model a classic filter and it is really close to the original but changing it in some way would make it even "better". Would you prefer it to stay closer to the original or would you like it "better" ?

I would be be intrigued to know if they were modeled on any existing filters, Urs??? Could you throw any light on the matter without going into details???

I guess as to whether or not it would be tacky to market them as such would be down to personal opinion. Some could view it as another selling point, another string to the bow if you like!! Not that there are'nt enough strings as it is, it's just there may be some purists who would perhaps be more tempted by it.

In my opinion, it would be cool to have filters modelled on existing classic analogue synths (if they're not already) and it may even bring something else to the table.

I think you kind of hit the nail on the head though- if they sound good then it doesnt really matter, and I think they do sound good. Best soft synth I've ever used in my opinion.

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Mon May 25, 2009 11:25 am

Echo Voodoo wrote:One of the things I like about U-He products (aside from their high quality and ease of use) is that they don't go out of their way to emulate anything. They stand on their own.

I'm not suggesting that it's bad to emulate already-existing synths, filters, effects, etc. - there are many great products out there that do exactly that. But because U-He stuff isn't trying to emulate anything, it isn't limited by the preconceptions that come with previously-existing products.

Also a very good point.

Zebra would'nt be what it is if it was trying to emulate existing products

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon May 25, 2009 2:08 pm

All I know is that Zebra's filters are absolutely beautiful.

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Mon May 25, 2009 3:26 pm

Teksonik wrote:All I know is that Zebra's filters are absolutely beautiful.

I am very eagerly awaiting the release of Zebra 2.5 and also Zebrify! I've only just found out about them from reading up on this forum, which appears to be a damn good resource even if i do say so myself!

By the sounds of things Zebrify has a lot of sound-mangling potential!! Cant wait to try it out...

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