Largo is here!

[vieris]

From Waldorf.

# Virtual Analog Models:

* Pulse with Pulse Width Modulation
* Sawtooth
* Triangle
* Sine

# Wavetables:

* Q Alt 1 and Alt 2 Wavetable

the Q is unrivalled in its emulation of analog circuits.

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[ckatrun411]

The Largo has multiple waves per table and you can scan through the tables.

ew

Fascinating!


Well, its a shame there doesn't seem to be any plan, for a downloadable demo. --Do the blofeld, and microwave, and other Waldorf synths, do this Wavescanning?



Do you expect, the filters on Largo, to best Rapture's?

[SolarRainUK]

Hmmm a 3 osc 2 filter virtual analog for $250 or so. Hard to get excited or compete with what is already available.

There's a bit more to it. For starters it as all the Microwave XT wavetables.
Go here : http://waldorf.electro-music.com/microw ... dio-demos/ and listen to 'Shortened Days' : pure class !!

Peter.

That is a wonderful demo..

So the Largo can do all those sounds, and more?

[ew]

From Waldorf.

# Virtual Analog Models:

* Pulse with Pulse Width Modulation
* Sawtooth
* Triangle
* Sine

# Wavetables:

* Q Alt 1 and Alt 2 Wavetable

Ah- the info on the site's wrong. If you download the manual, you'll see in the appendix that there's 68 wavetables- Alt 1 and Alt 2 are two of them.

Do you expect, the filters on Largo, to best Rapture's?

Yep. Waldorf's filters are excellent IMO.

ew

[ckatrun411]

http://waldorf.electro-music.com/microw ... dio-demos/

^^^^


That is an awesome demo. I'd be pretty surprised if the Largo, can do this. Didn't anybody else find the audio demos of Largo, a little lackluster?

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/news#143

[Happy Frog]

Not sure I fully understand wavescanning or wavesequence tried to read at Wiki, however I know the PPG and how beautiful it sounded when Tangerine Dream used it, I think I read where Rob Papen and ConcretFX were working on something in this style would be interested in what they might offer and the similarities and or differences.

[vieris]

How do Largos osc's differ from Raptures multi-mode wavetable oscillators?

[ckatrun411]

How do Largos osc's differ from Raptures multi-mode wavetable oscillators?

Raptures oscillators are NOT multi-mode. They are multi-voice, and will do ringmod. But there are also straight up single cycles.

Apparently, the waldorf will do, "wavescanning," which I've not heard of before.



--Researching it now...

[musikmachine]

I wasn't that impressed with the audio files on Waldorf website. It's great for people who, "must have the waldorf sound," and would rather a software than a hardware synth.


Synths take a huge time investement. Not just a money investment. Actually, the time investment is so huge, that even a great synth, like, ScanSynth, which has become so affordable, is only worth buying if you really, really want it.


Right now, I've only got the slightest boner for Synth Squad. Its really not on my, "must have," list because of the, "time investment."

For myself, I do better limiting my synths, than I do my FX, and other gear. Right now, I've stopped using all synths, except for two: Sugar-bytes Unique, and Cakewalk Rapture.

What I like about Synth Squad, is it is so different from Rapture, and Unique. The vibe, the ideas, just about everything in Synth Squad differs from the two synths I've seriously committed too. That would make the time investment, it would take to learn FXexpansions's new software, well worth it.

If the Largo, was a totally new idea, instead of repackaged/reworked ideas, I might be singing a different tune.

Your right about the time investment. I took my time over buying the blofeld for these reasons. It's 24 voice poly and multitimbral so i can just use the blofeld for synth sounds, well until the poly runs out. Add to that the sample upgrade and you have everything you need to at leat get down the basis of a track. The blofeld has a very aggressive in your face sound when pushed and i'd expect largo to have that same character. From some of the youtube clips i heard it does but then the demos sound tame by comparison. Listen to this blofeld demo:

It's a bit lofi but those are the types of sounds i'd expect largo to be able to produce. If it doesn't then it will be just another wavetable vsti in an already saturated market. I have a feeling it won't be though.

[vieris]

I'm no wavetable expert. I hardly ever grab for them actually. I would like to know how Largo is different or if it's offering anything new?. The rapture doc's claim it to be multi-mode. I thought thats how it differentiates from DimPro.

At the heart of Rapture's six-part sound engine are powerful, multi-mode wavetable oscillators.

For example, let's compare Dimension Pro which emphasizes the Expression Engine's multisample rendering, to Rapture which emphasizes the Expression Engine's wavetable synthesis. Dimension Pro provides sample offsets, key shifting, and vector mixing, useful for working with multisamples, and mixing instruments and program variants. And Rapture uses oscillator multiplication and detuning to create fat sounds, along with step generators for trance-style modulation. In addition, instead of a vector mixer, Rapture provides an X-Y controller to extend parameter modulation even further.

[EvilDragon]

It's because in Rapture you can play one oscillator per midi channel. That is, instead of triggering 6 oscs with one midi channel, you trigger oscs separately over channels 1-6.

Rapture doesn't do real wavetable scanning, as ALL Waldorf and PPG synths do!

There is a difference in understanding the word "wavetable", between Cakewalk and Waldorf. Whereas Rapture refers to a single-cycle waveform as a wavetable, Waldorf refers to a multitude of such single-cycle waveform, sorted in a vector, with index point which decides which wave from the table will be read and played, and that index point can be realtime modulated.

Rapture can't do that.

[pschelfh]

Hmmm a 3 osc 2 filter virtual analog for $250 or so. Hard to get excited or compete with what is already available.

There's a bit more to it. For starters it as all the Microwave XT wavetables.
Go here : http://waldorf.electro-music.com/microw ... dio-demos/ and listen to 'Shortened Days' : pure class !!

Peter.

That is a wonderful demo..

So the Largo can do all those sounds, and more?

It should be a cross between Microwave (wavetables) + Q (synth engine), so yes, it should be able to do much more than that.

Waldorf tends to be a bit on the wild experimental side for their presets as I heard on the Blofeld, so don't be fooled by early demos of Largo.
I think that the presets that were used in that demo come from an internet collaboration soundbank, they're not the original presets of the Microwave XT either.

Peter.

[pschelfh]

It's because in Rapture you can play one oscillator per midi channel. That is, instead of triggering 6 oscs with one midi channel, you trigger oscs separately over channels 1-6.

Rapture doesn't do real wavetable scanning, as ALL Waldorf and PPG synths do!

There is a difference in understanding the word "wavetable", between Cakewalk and Waldorf. Whereas Rapture refers to a single-cycle waveform as a wavetable, Waldorf refers to a multitude of such single-cycle waveform, sorted in a vector, with index point which decides which wave from the table will be read and played, and that index point can be realtime modulated.

Rapture can't do that.

Yep, a Waldorf wavetable exist of 64 singe cycle waves (similar or completely different) and you can sweep through them with an LFO or an envelope (or with any modulator actualy).

Virus Ti also has wavetables but it misses a dedicated envelope for these. I hope Largo will be better.

Something else that compares to wavetables were Ensoniq transwaves (EPS16+, Fizmo, MR).

Rapture's waves are static compared to those.

Peter.

[ew]

Yep, a Waldorf wavetable exist of 64 singe cycle waves (similar or completely different) and you can sweep through them with an LFO or an envelope (or with any modulator actualy).

The Alt 1 and 2 tables are 127 waves (one position's an empty slot). The rest of Largo's are 64 as you mentioned.

ew

[Gribs]

If you are willing to write sfz scripts then Rapture and Dimension Pro are capable of performing true wavetable stepping/sequencing.

For example:

Introductory thread on sequencing wavetables in SFZ

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=8056 ... 3%85%8A%BF

Some other stuff:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1180451

http://www.willclifton.com/brock/Images ... 0Guide.pdf

The Introduction to Cakewalk Synthesizers book has more sfz stuff in it. Remember SFZ is basically a scripting language and open to many possibilities. The difficulty is, of course, that one has to write the scripts or get them from someone. The problem is that, at least AFAIK, unlike familiar scripting/programming languages such as Python there is no easily reachable, regularly updated online resource that documents the current SFZ standard, tracks old versions of the standard, keeps release notes for each new release of the standard, etc.