Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[captain caveman]

That tells me that high track and plugin (or algorithm in this case) counts are possible with good analog emulations.

I don't disagree that using saturation algorithms can warmify the sound of plugins, but what I am disagreeing with is that it is possible to accurately emulate a specific piece of hardware in the same way.

UA for example are component modelling with their latest plugins and fxpansion also said that modelling the input and output of circuits isn't good enough to accurately recreate hardware, therefore a lower level of modelling is actually required.

So, for me, it's the difference between an approximation and an emulation. Unfortunately the "emulation" word has been banded about far too often to be taken seriously. Time will tell whether the Props emulation is more than EQ/Q relationships and fairly standard compressor tweakage.

There is interesting stuff going on with Nebula at the moment with real large format consoles being sampled so when a 9000K comes online it will be great to compare.

[sockofgold]

I have to say: I tried the beta, and I was REALLY pumped about it, but man, is this an awkward program to use. The whole Reason-rack thing works fine for Reason, when it's a single vertical row, but seriously, a full-width rack for every single track?

The amount of scrolling you have to do to navigate the mixer and the module views is absurd. They should have just put audio tracks in Reason and called it a day.

And a dongle? I don't think so. Steinberg can get away with it because Cubase has a ton of powerful, unique features, but Record really doesn't offer anything new at all.

This is my opinion, of course. I feel bad for wasting a friendly KVR-dude's invite, but trying to work with Record practically gave me a stroke.

It's times like these that one realizes how nice it is to be able to return "home" to your own personal DAW of choice. Hello, Live... I knew you would wait for me.

[grymmjack]

I have to say: I tried the beta, and I was REALLY pumped about it, but man, is this an awkward program to use. The whole Reason-rack thing works fine for Reason, when it's a single vertical row, but seriously, a full-width rack for every single track?

The amount of scrolling you have to do to navigate the mixer and the module views is absurd. They should have just put audio tracks in Reason and called it a day.

And a dongle? I don't think so. Steinberg can get away with it because Cubase has a ton of powerful, unique features, but Record really doesn't offer anything new at all.

This is my opinion, of course. I feel bad for wasting a friendly KVR-dude's invite, but trying to work with Record practically gave me a stroke.

It's times like these that one realizes how nice it is to be able to return "home" to your own personal DAW of choice. Hello, Live... I knew you would wait for me.

+1 on the first 2 paragraphs. +2 on the 3rd and +10 on 5.

[Amberience]

I have to say: I tried the beta, and I was REALLY pumped about it, but man, is this an awkward program to use. The whole Reason-rack thing works fine for Reason, when it's a single vertical row, but seriously, a full-width rack for every single track?

The amount of scrolling you have to do to navigate the mixer and the module views is absurd. They should have just put audio tracks in Reason and called it a day.

And a dongle? I don't think so. Steinberg can get away with it because Cubase has a ton of powerful, unique features, but Record really doesn't offer anything new at all.

This is my opinion, of course. I feel bad for wasting a friendly KVR-dude's invite, but trying to work with Record practically gave me a stroke.

It's times like these that one realizes how nice it is to be able to return "home" to your own personal DAW of choice. Hello, Live... I knew you would wait for me.

How many monitors do you have, and what size are they?

[ZombyWoof]

This is my opinion, of course. I feel bad for wasting a friendly KVR-dude's invite, but trying to work with Record practically gave me a stroke.

The invite to try the beta is to find out if you like it. You found out you didn't, so it wasn't a waste at all.

I still have an invite if anyone wants one. PM me.

[sockofgold]

This is my opinion, of course. I feel bad for wasting a friendly KVR-dude's invite, but trying to work with Record practically gave me a stroke.

The invite to try the beta is to find out if you like it. You found out you didn't, so it wasn't a waste at all.

I still have an invite if anyone wants one. PM me.

Glad you see it that way. I felt bad about "wasting" an invite, but I really thought I would like it more than I did. Either way, thanks again.

How many monitors do you have, and what size are they?

I have a single 24" monitor (iMac). I used to rock the double-monitor, but most DAW's these days are accommodating enough of single-monitor setups that it's really not necessary any more (for me).

[v1o]

I have 5 invites.

[thelizard]

First Impressions:

-Holy shit what a weird window set-up. First thing I decided to do was memorize the window-switching a view shortcuts. That helps.

-Demo tracks absolutely slayed my computer. To be fair, I'm using the Debug version, which is slower... but still.

-I absolutely love the sound of my guitar running through Scream. Dammit this is lovely. Matrix + Delay = Awesome, quick automation on Feedback panning. This is the type of thing that scores points.

-Good heavens look at that gigantic channel strip.

-Recording went smoothly. Quick 20-bar loop.

-Reason's automation reared it's ugly head. I love jamming with ReDrum, but I HATE AUTOMATING IT. Good heavens.

-There's going to be a dongle? What?

Summary so far:
I'll keep experimenting, because I love the built in sounds and routing. However, this is definitely not built for single-monitor set-ups, and the dongle is quite possibly a deal-breaker. I would hate to drive to Chicago, open my laptop bag, and think... Ahhhh, crap.

See, I already have an iLok for a Waves Musicians Pack 1 that I picked up for $40, but I don't absolutely need it for my laptop. If I have it on a track I'm working on, and forget my iLok, big deal. I just de-activate that effect on the track. However, having a dongle for your entire host is nonsense.

EDIT: I feel that if I already owned Reason 4, this would be a no-nonsense upgrade. However, this just isn't going to knock Live, Renoise, or FL away from my top spots.

[Amberience]

I have a single 24" monitor (iMac). I used to rock the double-monitor, but most DAW's these days are accommodating enough of single-monitor setups that it's really not necessary any more (for me).

I wouldn't say this was true. Most DAW's benefit greatly from two monitors; Record is no different in that regard.

[sockofgold]

I have a single 24" monitor (iMac). I used to rock the double-monitor, but most DAW's these days are accommodating enough of single-monitor setups that it's really not necessary any more (for me).

I wouldn't say this was true. Most DAW's benefit greatly from two monitors; Record is no different in that regard.

I certainly wouldn't argue that 2 monitors cannot be helpful. But it shouldn't be necessary. It's just a personal preference--I prefer to use one monitor. Especially with Live and Logic, they're tailored just fine for single-monitor use, so you can get by just fine with 1 OR 2.

Anyway, I am not making a argument about Record either way as far as single/dual monitor use goes. My original point about screen real estate was strictly based on how ridiculously huge the mixer is, and the multiple columns of ginormous rack modules.

[gentleharp]

I have 5 invites.

pm sent

[Laraka]

I have a couple of invites available too. PM me.

[Zargon the Destroyer]

Yeah, I have 1 invite available - PM me.

I don't like it at all, gave it a 2nd tray, still don't 'get it' as a stand alone, although for Reason users, it seems good.

[headquest]

I have to say: I tried the beta, and I was REALLY pumped about it, but man, is this an awkward program to use. The whole Reason-rack thing works fine for Reason, when it's a single vertical row, but seriously, a full-width rack for every single track?

I have to agree with your point about the horizontal rack. I've found it very hard to use, because it is *too free*. A fair few users and reviewers compained that the rack in Reason is only vertical, but it was a limitation that at least makes it easy to have a rationale for where stuff is in the rack (i.e. each instrument in order from the top down). With multiple horizontal racks I think the whole thing does get *very* messy.

Perhaps a matter of taste... but I agree with you on this.

The amount of scrolling you have to do to navigate the mixer and the module views is absurd.

Again, I agree. Sure, its possible to close sections of the mixer (although the buttons to do this are strangely small and easy to miss). But in particular I don't really like the new navigation areas at the Top, the Right, and let's not forget the Bottom as well, of the GUI. Too many navigation areas that waste screen space and add to the feeling that Record is very cluttered.

They should have just put audio tracks in Reason and called it a day.

...Or not. I think it would have amounted to the same thing. I think that Record + Reason is exactly what Reason would have been with added audio tracks, had they decided to keep it as one programme.

And a dongle? I don't think so.

I may misunderstand about this, but as far as I can tell you never need to use the dongle at all if you have internet access. Possibly just when you first install. But basically the Internet Verification that we are using in the beta test is how it will continue to work, unless you particularly prefer a dongle (obviously not!).


I agree that Record doesn't really seem like the sort of full-on professional software where a dongle is an expected/acceptable part of the deal. At best I would use Record for *fun*, and certainly not for anything remotely serious. My only doubt at this point is whether Record actually IS fun anyway, or just a pain in the neck. I'm still going from really liking it some days and really hating it others!

[Amberience]

I have a single 24" monitor (iMac). I used to rock the double-monitor, but most DAW's these days are accommodating enough of single-monitor setups that it's really not necessary any more (for me).

I wouldn't say this was true. Most DAW's benefit greatly from two monitors; Record is no different in that regard.

I certainly wouldn't argue that 2 monitors cannot be helpful. But it shouldn't be necessary. It's just a personal preference--I prefer to use one monitor. Especially with Live and Logic, they're tailored just fine for single-monitor use, so you can get by just fine with 1 OR 2.

Anyway, I am not making a argument about Record either way as far as single/dual monitor use goes. My original point about screen real estate was strictly based on how ridiculously huge the mixer is, and the multiple columns of ginormous rack modules.

Yeah, but you can fold it all away, just like you have to with Logic or Live, so your argument holds no water, imo.