I was going to wait for M3 release before considering committing to MuLab as my main DAW but the past few weeks I was asked to produce a piece of music for a documentary and I decided to do it all in MuLab considering the fact that I needed to use Reason' Thor, hence Rewire.
In my early posts I said the I usually use XT for Midi editing but this time I just focused on MuLab because of Rewire necessities.
I must say that commitment creates magic time and times again.
The whole process became a discovery that took me to a different region of flow and I would like to know how many out there use MuLab as a main tool of composition and business so to get a feeling and a reality check.
Thanks.
How many are using MuLab as a Main DAW?
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- KVRAF
- 5572 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
ABEFLGMOPPRRST 
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi liquidsound,
Although my main business is not in the music world. I do intend writing music for commercial purposes in the future.
So just to get the ball rolling.
I am happy to use MU.LAB 2.6.x with LIVE 8 rewired and I will look no further for other DAWs.
The main reason I am interested in M3 is the better midi editing features it will have, but M2 is fine for now.
I personally can see no reason why you should not do your future work in M2 and rewire to Reason.
The worse case I can see is that if you go to a commercial studio where they want to use Pro Tools or Cubase or similar. If so MULAB can export your audio and MIDI if neccessary and then it can be imported and arranged in the DAW of their choice.
When I had Cubase it allowed me to sync to video. So that the music could be written to fit the scenes exactly. This is something I do not think MU.LAB has and do not know if it is in the pipeline.
That again is my two cents.
As for those of you who are actually using MU.LAB (M2) for commmercial purposes please leave your comments here for liquidsound.
anubis2010
Although my main business is not in the music world. I do intend writing music for commercial purposes in the future.
So just to get the ball rolling.
I am happy to use MU.LAB 2.6.x with LIVE 8 rewired and I will look no further for other DAWs.
The main reason I am interested in M3 is the better midi editing features it will have, but M2 is fine for now.
I personally can see no reason why you should not do your future work in M2 and rewire to Reason.
The worse case I can see is that if you go to a commercial studio where they want to use Pro Tools or Cubase or similar. If so MULAB can export your audio and MIDI if neccessary and then it can be imported and arranged in the DAW of their choice.
When I had Cubase it allowed me to sync to video. So that the music could be written to fit the scenes exactly. This is something I do not think MU.LAB has and do not know if it is in the pipeline.
That again is my two cents.
As for those of you who are actually using MU.LAB (M2) for commmercial purposes please leave your comments here for liquidsound.
anubis2010
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
I'm a hobbyist. I use Mulab for about half of my songs, but the clunky audio monitoring implementation and lack of multitrack recording keep the audio heavy projects elsewhere for now. I'm hoping to see this addressed within the M3 lifecycle.
//Also, the name file dialogue with audio recording drives me nuts. It's an administrative task I can do later, not something I want to be forced to bother with when doing takes.
//Also, the name file dialogue with audio recording drives me nuts. It's an administrative task I can do later, not something I want to be forced to bother with when doing takes.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5572 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
The audio for me is not yet a concern and having lived with Reason and its audio shortcomings it is hard for me even to discover what you have just mentioned. I use audio clips for percussion (REX mostly) so my audio demands are very low. I will need to see what exactly you are talking about but at the same time I tried everything but Cubase and Protools and I can't find anythig that I can relax and commit to it.
EnergyXT has been a blessing for me for the midi editing flow compare to Reason and many others.
Reaper is still written by an Audio visionary and is not near XT or MuLab for midi.
I have music everywhere (Reason, FL, Reason, XT, MuLab and it's becoming a messy closet.
I hope more users are going to have some input so I get (and newcomers) to know MuLab from different users experience because I got to make a move and M3 looks like the best compromise. Nothing is perfect but I have to draw a line.
Knowing the limitations helps more than knowing the goodies.
I admire people that are able to use two DAWs like MuLab/LIVE in Rewire. I get lost.
I need to focus on music and the MuLab simplicity is precious and is getting to me.
Thank for your input. It saves lots of time to many of us.
EnergyXT has been a blessing for me for the midi editing flow compare to Reason and many others.
Reaper is still written by an Audio visionary and is not near XT or MuLab for midi.
I have music everywhere (Reason, FL, Reason, XT, MuLab and it's becoming a messy closet.
I hope more users are going to have some input so I get (and newcomers) to know MuLab from different users experience because I got to make a move and M3 looks like the best compromise. Nothing is perfect but I have to draw a line.
Knowing the limitations helps more than knowing the goodies.
I admire people that are able to use two DAWs like MuLab/LIVE in Rewire. I get lost.
I need to focus on music and the MuLab simplicity is precious and is getting to me.
Thank for your input. It saves lots of time to many of us.
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi again,
"Using MU.LAB in the real world".
I find this kind of topic invaluable not only for myself but I am sure all MU.LAB forum members can take something from it.
All of us for some reason or another have found ourselves looking at MU.LAB rather than walking away to the next all sing all dancing DAW.
If you like me have tried other DAWs and are still addicted to MU.LAB try not to analyse why you like MU.LAB just admit to yourself that there is something special about it. Ask your self the question is your life better with it or without it.
There is absolutely no harm in owning two DAWs just make sure MU.LAB is one of them.
Assuming your life is better with it then read on…
I have spent most of my career as a consultant (my field of expertise is irrelevant) what is important is that before I advise anyone on anything I do a lot of research on what I about to advise on.
If you want an industrial grade DAW get Pro Tools. Sounds simple enough after all it is used by loads of well know artists and recording studios.
After buying Pro Tools (The Full version and keeping up with the annual upgrades) do not forget all the professional grade hardware you need. You will also be wise to go on a course or two.
Most of us compare our own music to that of commercial CDs. Most of these CDs are produced by teams of very talented and experience people using the best software and hardware money can buy.
My own personal reality check. I work alone on a limited budget with limited talent a jack of all trades and master of none.
So how can I compete with the professional studio.
Well this is what I do.
What does a professionally mixed and mastered CD sound like? This is easy to answer they are in all the music shops.
I bought Madonna Ray of Light and Confessions on a dance floor. Metallica (The Black Album), two of the latest Girls Aloud albums and a couple of Jean Michael Jarre albums.
It does not matter whether you like the above records from a lyrical point of view. What you are listening for is the stereo mix/balance, the instruments used, their relative volumes and the use of reverb etc. All these albums are your sound engineer education. Remember the above is my own personal selection yours can be different but hopefully you get the idea.
Now you need to write original music, assuming you are not a cover band. Original ideas are hard, were do they come from?
You need a DAW one that you understand how to use and allows you to get your songs out of your head in to some kind of recordable format.
Next you need to mix and master.
Next you need to create you own CD.
Now comes the acid test…
Do an A/B test between the commercial CD and your CD. Try to diagnose why yours is not as good and then try to modify your mix and master.
If like me you write, perform, record, mix and master you own stuff. You need to educate yourself with these skills. There are loads of articles written by sound engineers on the internet, read them all try out the ideas they suggest.
Finally give your CD to your friends and listen to their criticism.
One of my first recordings I made had a great drum beat, a creamy arpeggio bass line and me playing heavily distort guitar power chords. I loved playing and recording the track and it sounded fantastic to me. Playing music for yourself is great fun but what do other people think of your music. I decided to play the track to my wife expecting her to say "That is fantastic you should be a rock star". What she actually said was "That sounds great, but why is the guitar player playing in a washing machine?" What all this translated to was that I had used way too much reverb on the guitar probably the beginners greatest audio crime.
On a personal level I still record music that is awash with echo and reverb I love it that way but if I want others to like my stuff then I have to use effects in a subtle fashion.
When you do it all yourself, you only have one pair of ears. Let others hear your stuff their feedback will help you mould your sound.
Back to MU.LAB
For me MU.LAB is just another tool to help me create the best music I can with the limited resources I have. MU.LAB is like a hammer in my toolbox a simple but essential tool and I would not want to be without it.
I have chosen not to go down the megabucks DAW road rather I will stick with MU.LAB. The fact I have LIVE 8 as well is just icing on the cake and yes read all the manuals that come with your DAWs and give yourself time.
I can not compete with professional sound studios with teams of sound engineers. Even if I have all the software and hardware they have they still have way more experience that I do.
BUT if I use the tools I have now and my limited talent and the help of my friends ears I can come a very close second.
The key is the A/B test with commercial CDs against your own material.
Anyway that is my rant over.
These are my personal views and opinions and as such are not wrong or right for everyone.
Come on everyone you must have a view or an opinion. We need more people to make comments on topics such as these so we can all learn from each other.
I work alone I value you opinions and views even if they conflict with my own. Go on give it a go.
Anubis2010
"Using MU.LAB in the real world".
I find this kind of topic invaluable not only for myself but I am sure all MU.LAB forum members can take something from it.
All of us for some reason or another have found ourselves looking at MU.LAB rather than walking away to the next all sing all dancing DAW.
If you like me have tried other DAWs and are still addicted to MU.LAB try not to analyse why you like MU.LAB just admit to yourself that there is something special about it. Ask your self the question is your life better with it or without it.
There is absolutely no harm in owning two DAWs just make sure MU.LAB is one of them.
Assuming your life is better with it then read on…
I have spent most of my career as a consultant (my field of expertise is irrelevant) what is important is that before I advise anyone on anything I do a lot of research on what I about to advise on.
If you want an industrial grade DAW get Pro Tools. Sounds simple enough after all it is used by loads of well know artists and recording studios.
After buying Pro Tools (The Full version and keeping up with the annual upgrades) do not forget all the professional grade hardware you need. You will also be wise to go on a course or two.
Most of us compare our own music to that of commercial CDs. Most of these CDs are produced by teams of very talented and experience people using the best software and hardware money can buy.
My own personal reality check. I work alone on a limited budget with limited talent a jack of all trades and master of none.
So how can I compete with the professional studio.
Well this is what I do.
What does a professionally mixed and mastered CD sound like? This is easy to answer they are in all the music shops.
I bought Madonna Ray of Light and Confessions on a dance floor. Metallica (The Black Album), two of the latest Girls Aloud albums and a couple of Jean Michael Jarre albums.
It does not matter whether you like the above records from a lyrical point of view. What you are listening for is the stereo mix/balance, the instruments used, their relative volumes and the use of reverb etc. All these albums are your sound engineer education. Remember the above is my own personal selection yours can be different but hopefully you get the idea.
Now you need to write original music, assuming you are not a cover band. Original ideas are hard, were do they come from?
You need a DAW one that you understand how to use and allows you to get your songs out of your head in to some kind of recordable format.
Next you need to mix and master.
Next you need to create you own CD.
Now comes the acid test…
Do an A/B test between the commercial CD and your CD. Try to diagnose why yours is not as good and then try to modify your mix and master.
If like me you write, perform, record, mix and master you own stuff. You need to educate yourself with these skills. There are loads of articles written by sound engineers on the internet, read them all try out the ideas they suggest.
Finally give your CD to your friends and listen to their criticism.
One of my first recordings I made had a great drum beat, a creamy arpeggio bass line and me playing heavily distort guitar power chords. I loved playing and recording the track and it sounded fantastic to me. Playing music for yourself is great fun but what do other people think of your music. I decided to play the track to my wife expecting her to say "That is fantastic you should be a rock star". What she actually said was "That sounds great, but why is the guitar player playing in a washing machine?" What all this translated to was that I had used way too much reverb on the guitar probably the beginners greatest audio crime.
On a personal level I still record music that is awash with echo and reverb I love it that way but if I want others to like my stuff then I have to use effects in a subtle fashion.
When you do it all yourself, you only have one pair of ears. Let others hear your stuff their feedback will help you mould your sound.
Back to MU.LAB
For me MU.LAB is just another tool to help me create the best music I can with the limited resources I have. MU.LAB is like a hammer in my toolbox a simple but essential tool and I would not want to be without it.
I have chosen not to go down the megabucks DAW road rather I will stick with MU.LAB. The fact I have LIVE 8 as well is just icing on the cake and yes read all the manuals that come with your DAWs and give yourself time.
I can not compete with professional sound studios with teams of sound engineers. Even if I have all the software and hardware they have they still have way more experience that I do.
BUT if I use the tools I have now and my limited talent and the help of my friends ears I can come a very close second.
The key is the A/B test with commercial CDs against your own material.
Anyway that is my rant over.
These are my personal views and opinions and as such are not wrong or right for everyone.
Come on everyone you must have a view or an opinion. We need more people to make comments on topics such as these so we can all learn from each other.
I work alone I value you opinions and views even if they conflict with my own. Go on give it a go.
Anubis2010
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
Well, for example, you can't assign audio inputs to tracks and then quickly monitor or record what and when you feel like it. Mulab instead has one audio destination available, hidden in the right click menu of the audio record button, that you share between all tracks in the project, reassigning it each time you want to record to a different track. Or rack, as it is in Mulab.liquidsound wrote:The audio for me is not yet a concern and having lived with Reason and its audio shortcomings it is hard for me even to discover what you have just mentioned. I use audio clips for percussion (REX mostly) so my audio demands are very low. I will need to see what exactly you are talking about...
This is obviously much slower than assigning Mic in>Mic rack, Bass in>Bass rack etcetera once at project startup, and then just toggling record / monitor on the track level.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5572 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Yes that is a little heavy limitation indeed. I am like anubis2012, single performer, at least this is what he sound like.
I used to have a jazz band in the late seventies in Italy traveling around at festivals and performing live on stage with no mixers or outside help. Just amplifiers and a lauder drummers, sax, bass and guitar. I had an Hammond and then a Rhodes. It was fun and our A/B was the crowd
So no experience in producing. Nada.
With Reason you really need to be incredibly keen because it is the easiest DAW (call it that way just for the sake of the conversation...) to make a mess.
I got a CD from a music magazine when they got a super producer comparing the same composition written in Reason mastered in Reason and then, via Rewire, in Protool. It was almost perfect but you could hear the difference, it was there,
you could tell. And this guy is considered a Protool/Reason master.
So I am not expecting miracles from a DAW because "I" am not endowed with such a knowledge and maybe no even the talent.
So far I am very focused at composing, then mixing, then Mastering, then....
well, just a wish.
MuLab and energyXT allow me to do just so, and I do not deserve a premium DAW based on my audio skills yet.
For example, a limitation, as robenestobenz pointed out, is important to know so that you can prevent, way in advance, to crystallize in you head what to do, step by step, without wasting time with the wrong approach.
I like LIVE but again the midi editing flow isn't there. FL is better for that. But LIVE has other stuff....
Thank you for inputs. VERY helpfull
I used to have a jazz band in the late seventies in Italy traveling around at festivals and performing live on stage with no mixers or outside help. Just amplifiers and a lauder drummers, sax, bass and guitar. I had an Hammond and then a Rhodes. It was fun and our A/B was the crowd
So no experience in producing. Nada.
With Reason you really need to be incredibly keen because it is the easiest DAW (call it that way just for the sake of the conversation...) to make a mess.
I got a CD from a music magazine when they got a super producer comparing the same composition written in Reason mastered in Reason and then, via Rewire, in Protool. It was almost perfect but you could hear the difference, it was there,
you could tell. And this guy is considered a Protool/Reason master.
So I am not expecting miracles from a DAW because "I" am not endowed with such a knowledge and maybe no even the talent.
So far I am very focused at composing, then mixing, then Mastering, then....
well, just a wish.
MuLab and energyXT allow me to do just so, and I do not deserve a premium DAW based on my audio skills yet.
For example, a limitation, as robenestobenz pointed out, is important to know so that you can prevent, way in advance, to crystallize in you head what to do, step by step, without wasting time with the wrong approach.
I like LIVE but again the midi editing flow isn't there. FL is better for that. But LIVE has other stuff....
Thank you for inputs. VERY helpfull
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi liquidsound and robenestobenz,
Indeed, I am a single performer (record one track at a time, kind of thing).
I write all drum lines in MIDI and then use Battery 3. I write all bass lines in MIDI and then use VSTi such as z3ta+ or sylenth1. I then write pad lines in MIDI and use various VSTi.
As for audio I do not use audio loops as such. My audio IN is used for electric guitar via effects pedals and a few VST type cabs/amps.
I have never found a VSTi that can replace a "real" guitar. Therefore I do that myself with a number of takes.
I am no vocalist so I do not need a MIC.
MU.LAB single audio IN that robenestobenz has mentioned does not effect me, but it certainly would affect other DAW users in a way he has outlined.
Maybe robenestobenz will be lucky and Jo may address this in M3 at some point.
Seems like we three have MU.LAB plus one other DAW at the moment but one day would like to use a single.
I doubt that MU.LAB will ever be as feature packed as Pro Tools for example, as this kind of thinking goes away from the easy to use DAW. MU.LAB will probably remain kind of like it is with new features added as the release goes along.
(LIVE 8 basically gives me frozen tracks and audio time stretch (warp) added to MU.LAB, if MU.LAB ever does these two functions then LIVE could go, but I will probably keep LIVE 8 anyway.)
I am sure M3 will be great. Infact M2 is rather nice anyway.
anubis2010
Indeed, I am a single performer (record one track at a time, kind of thing).
I write all drum lines in MIDI and then use Battery 3. I write all bass lines in MIDI and then use VSTi such as z3ta+ or sylenth1. I then write pad lines in MIDI and use various VSTi.
As for audio I do not use audio loops as such. My audio IN is used for electric guitar via effects pedals and a few VST type cabs/amps.
I have never found a VSTi that can replace a "real" guitar. Therefore I do that myself with a number of takes.
I am no vocalist so I do not need a MIC.
MU.LAB single audio IN that robenestobenz has mentioned does not effect me, but it certainly would affect other DAW users in a way he has outlined.
Maybe robenestobenz will be lucky and Jo may address this in M3 at some point.
Seems like we three have MU.LAB plus one other DAW at the moment but one day would like to use a single.
I doubt that MU.LAB will ever be as feature packed as Pro Tools for example, as this kind of thinking goes away from the easy to use DAW. MU.LAB will probably remain kind of like it is with new features added as the release goes along.
(LIVE 8 basically gives me frozen tracks and audio time stretch (warp) added to MU.LAB, if MU.LAB ever does these two functions then LIVE could go, but I will probably keep LIVE 8 anyway.)
I am sure M3 will be great. Infact M2 is rather nice anyway.
anubis2010
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5572 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
energyXT gives you frozen tracks and audio time stretch in a lite package and it can be used as VST with modular functions but you need to get the box edition for Rewire. I like it much much more than LIVE. You try it (there is a demo fully functional) and then you tell me. My 2 cents
Is like MuLab: USB portability. Developer not so communicative.
Here is like a well educated family. There there is tension in the air all the time.
Is like MuLab: USB portability. Developer not so communicative.
Here is like a well educated family. There there is tension in the air all the time.
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi liquidsound,
I downloaded the demo and gave it a quick look over to give you my opinion.
It is good to know your enemy and I think MU.LAB has quite a bit of competion with this one.
I have only used it in demo mode for about 1 hour and this is my take on it so far, but I will spend a day or two on it later.
1) GUI is not pretty.
2) Change GUI to "LIGHT" and it looks better and the colours can be changed a bit like you do in Windows Themes etc. No need to be a skin designer.
3) It does do timestretch and track freeze.
4) and yes the rewire is in a boxed version called PLUS and costs more.
5) MIDI editing is very good hopefully M3 will have similar functions.
6) AND oh yes, CRTL + DRAG = GHOST, just like M2 is (default) not "REAL".
7) I love the dockable VSTi tab.
It is clear that EnergyXT has been developed for longer, while I have only used it for an hour to make a true judgement I will need to spend a week on it and I think to be fair I am going to do just that.
Basic feeling is EnergyXT 2.5 is more complete than M2.
BUT a better comparison would be EnergyXT 2.5 against M3.
I think Jo should take a long look at EnergyXT and do his own A/B against his Beta M3.
Joking aside I really like EnergyXT.
I can see why you have been using it.
Well let me put it this way I think EnergyXT has set the bar. Lets hope M3 can give it a run for its money.
anubis2010
I downloaded the demo and gave it a quick look over to give you my opinion.
It is good to know your enemy and I think MU.LAB has quite a bit of competion with this one.
I have only used it in demo mode for about 1 hour and this is my take on it so far, but I will spend a day or two on it later.
1) GUI is not pretty.
2) Change GUI to "LIGHT" and it looks better and the colours can be changed a bit like you do in Windows Themes etc. No need to be a skin designer.
3) It does do timestretch and track freeze.
4) and yes the rewire is in a boxed version called PLUS and costs more.
5) MIDI editing is very good hopefully M3 will have similar functions.
6) AND oh yes, CRTL + DRAG = GHOST, just like M2 is (default) not "REAL".
7) I love the dockable VSTi tab.
It is clear that EnergyXT has been developed for longer, while I have only used it for an hour to make a true judgement I will need to spend a week on it and I think to be fair I am going to do just that.
Basic feeling is EnergyXT 2.5 is more complete than M2.
BUT a better comparison would be EnergyXT 2.5 against M3.
I think Jo should take a long look at EnergyXT and do his own A/B against his Beta M3.
Joking aside I really like EnergyXT.
I can see why you have been using it.
Well let me put it this way I think EnergyXT has set the bar. Lets hope M3 can give it a run for its money.
anubis2010
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- KVRAF
- 13852 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Not sure if i understand. What do you mean?robenestobenz wrote:Also, the name file dialogue with audio recording drives me nuts. It's an administrative task I can do later, not something I want to be forced to bother with when doing takes.
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- KVRAF
- 13852 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Which MIDI editing functions do you mean?anubis2010 wrote:5) MIDI editing is very good hopefully M3 will have similar functions.
Which MIDI editing functions are much better in Ext than in MU.LAB?
I'm always open to improve.
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi Jo,
Hope you have enjoyed your break good to see you are back.
I have always thought it unfair to compare MU.LAB with meggabucks programs like Pro Tools and for that matter LIVE.
MU.LAB is very reasonably priced and probably aimed at a slightly different market.
Liquidsound pointed me in the direction of EnergyXT to probably help solve my single DAW needs a single DAW that did MIDI editing, track freeze and time stretch.
I am still very keen to help MU.LAB and its forum members, so to that end I have had to buy EnergyXT. I have bought so much software in my own personal quest for DAW heaven so I though one more is not going to hurt. I will now play with it for a while and then I will be better placed to be more specific about MIDI editing etc. Unfortunately the demo did not allow save.
I still see MU.LAB as one amazing program but I have now seen what you are up against with a DAW of similar price etc.
Try the demo yourself as see what you like/do not like about it.
Once I have given it a long test drive I will let you know what I think.
Ask yourself questions like:
1) Why am I changing Ghost away from default.
2) Can I program M3 for track freeze.
3) Do I need to get a time stretch routine from a third party (SDK).
4) On your user wish list what does MU.LAB really need functionality wise.
You are in a position where you have a fan base including myself. You are about to release a new version. Does it tick most users boxes.
I would not wish to be in your shoes. You must get loads of wish list stuff. Only you know what is going to go into M3.
I cannot wait for the first beta M3.
Anyway it matters not how many DAWs I have I still want MU.LAB to be my final single DAW of choice and that may be in M3 or M4 who knows.
You are a gifted man and you do have friends on this forum, we are here to help.
And to all forum members you are way too quiet, you opinions do matter, voice them.
anubis2010
Hope you have enjoyed your break good to see you are back.
I have always thought it unfair to compare MU.LAB with meggabucks programs like Pro Tools and for that matter LIVE.
MU.LAB is very reasonably priced and probably aimed at a slightly different market.
Liquidsound pointed me in the direction of EnergyXT to probably help solve my single DAW needs a single DAW that did MIDI editing, track freeze and time stretch.
I am still very keen to help MU.LAB and its forum members, so to that end I have had to buy EnergyXT. I have bought so much software in my own personal quest for DAW heaven so I though one more is not going to hurt. I will now play with it for a while and then I will be better placed to be more specific about MIDI editing etc. Unfortunately the demo did not allow save.
I still see MU.LAB as one amazing program but I have now seen what you are up against with a DAW of similar price etc.
Try the demo yourself as see what you like/do not like about it.
Once I have given it a long test drive I will let you know what I think.
Ask yourself questions like:
1) Why am I changing Ghost away from default.
2) Can I program M3 for track freeze.
3) Do I need to get a time stretch routine from a third party (SDK).
4) On your user wish list what does MU.LAB really need functionality wise.
You are in a position where you have a fan base including myself. You are about to release a new version. Does it tick most users boxes.
I would not wish to be in your shoes. You must get loads of wish list stuff. Only you know what is going to go into M3.
I cannot wait for the first beta M3.
Anyway it matters not how many DAWs I have I still want MU.LAB to be my final single DAW of choice and that may be in M3 or M4 who knows.
You are a gifted man and you do have friends on this forum, we are here to help.
And to all forum members you are way too quiet, you opinions do matter, voice them.
anubis2010
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5572 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Let me add a few lines here.
EneegyXT excels in midi editing flow that's for sure (best on the market bar none!). So far....
Track freeze and audio stretching are thing that will always find their way in soon or later, so MuLab is getting there too.
Editing/Flow behavior is a not so easy to be changed because reflect the vision and character of the developer and the consensus of his users. As long something is excepted it will be there. Standard functions as in Freeze are just matter of time. Style is not. You need exposure as a user to have good inputs.
XT developer is absent 90% of the time. Jo is HERE most of the time.
XT user group is very selective and based on seniority, it could be my impression but you will see it for yourself. MuLab people are generous.
XT2 is not near the beauty of the older 1.41 version that comes for free as a XT2 owner and it will take years for XT2 to get there.
MuLab sound better and is far more stable. Jo is open to changes (up to a point)
while Jorgen has is agenda down to the end. XT1 had a touch of genius.
MuLab is still flexible enough as a concept to be still transformed to be a monster.
XT is what it is, trying to improve on XT1, fat chance.
This is why I am here with all the passion that I have for XT, MuLab is Class.
It will turn out I am sure. So for now I just got differnt tools.
I am making a short video for Jo to see what you (anubis20100) probably trying to say about midi.
This afternoon will be on line.
EneegyXT excels in midi editing flow that's for sure (best on the market bar none!). So far....
Track freeze and audio stretching are thing that will always find their way in soon or later, so MuLab is getting there too.
Editing/Flow behavior is a not so easy to be changed because reflect the vision and character of the developer and the consensus of his users. As long something is excepted it will be there. Standard functions as in Freeze are just matter of time. Style is not. You need exposure as a user to have good inputs.
XT developer is absent 90% of the time. Jo is HERE most of the time.
XT user group is very selective and based on seniority, it could be my impression but you will see it for yourself. MuLab people are generous.
XT2 is not near the beauty of the older 1.41 version that comes for free as a XT2 owner and it will take years for XT2 to get there.
MuLab sound better and is far more stable. Jo is open to changes (up to a point)
while Jorgen has is agenda down to the end. XT1 had a touch of genius.
MuLab is still flexible enough as a concept to be still transformed to be a monster.
XT is what it is, trying to improve on XT1, fat chance.
This is why I am here with all the passion that I have for XT, MuLab is Class.
It will turn out I am sure. So for now I just got differnt tools.
I am making a short video for Jo to see what you (anubis20100) probably trying to say about midi.
This afternoon will be on line.
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 16 Jul, 2009
Hi liquidsound,
You like me can praise and damn a DAW in the same sentance. I must admit you probably are my favorite forum member so far.
Jo I did ask you already when M3 will be released, but you have since spoken about beta/test versions. Can you give us an idea when the first test release may be available.
One thing I should say, if you wish me to leave your forum just say the word and I am gone.
anubis2010
You like me can praise and damn a DAW in the same sentance. I must admit you probably are my favorite forum member so far.
Jo I did ask you already when M3 will be released, but you have since spoken about beta/test versions. Can you give us an idea when the first test release may be available.
One thing I should say, if you wish me to leave your forum just say the word and I am gone.
anubis2010