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[deastman]

Now you guys see the true power of this plugin? Try putting an arpeggiator before Eloquence. Life is good! - Orbit-50


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Try putting Eloquence before Eloquence, and life becomes rather complex!

[dixie237]

as far as the random function goes, wouldnt it be better to let it cycle through once with the random pattern, then let that random pattern repeat until the user "re-randomises".

this way anything usable is instantly recordable, or saved as a preset to be used another time, rather than a fleeting "oh that bit was good"

This is exactly my view of it too as I wrote on page one of this thread. Randomization should be a feature to create a randomized variation which can be played over and over until the user chooses to perform another randomize. A version you treat as a normal version, which you can copy, paste modify etc.

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+1 again.....any chance of this request coming in the 1.01 release SB

[musikmachine]

Had a proper play with it today and it is off the chain.

It would be great to be able to record velocity values as well if it could be from note input. Otherwise excellent plugin. It's like the missing link in my setup (or is that me? )

[serve]

Is it just me or is the sync feature a little off with the host? Maybe this is a known bug....I'm just to lazy to read today.

I'm using Ableton 8 (da latest)

[Orbit-50]

Try putting Eloquence before Eloquence, and life becomes rather complex!

Excellent! - Orbit-50

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[deastman]

I'm a little discouraged. I wanted to use Eloquence inside of Sonar, which is my main host. I use a lot of hardware synths, and my usual workflow is to sequence them with a MIDI track, and then record the audio onto an audio track. All I need to do is insert Eloquence somewhere into that workflow, such that the Eloquence sequencer sends MIDI out to my hardware synths, and the audio comes back in to an audio track. No big deal, right?

Well, thanks to the lame signal flow in Sonar, Eloquence can only reside on an audio track, not a MIDI track. Audio tracks have no mechanism for sending MIDI out. So I'm screwed.

The best I came up with was running energyXT standalone, hosting Eloquence, routing the MIDI out through MIDI Yoke to the input of a MIDI track in Sonar. That's all well and good, but Sonar shuts off its audio as soon as I switch over to eXT in order to actually manipulate Eloquence. And I'm pretty sure it would be a nightmare trying to get clock sync working between all that stuff anyway.

This is the second time recently I've found a really cool plugin that I want to use, but the limited signal flow of Sonar has prevented me from doing so (the first one was Expert Sleepers Silent Way). As much as I love Sonar, I'm starting to think I might just have to resign myself to doing a lot more of my recording in eXT.

What is everyone else using with Eloquence on the PC?

[Mindmatching]

Well, thanks to the lame signal flow in Sonar, Eloquence can only reside on an audio track, not a MIDI track. Audio tracks have no mechanism for sending MIDI out. So I'm screwed.

I'm running Eloquence with Sonar. I think, the problem with Sonar is, that the plugins are somewhat configurable and some plugin doesn't fit into the default configuration.

Please try this:
- Go into the plugin manager and configure Eloquence as an instrument too, not only an effect.
- Then you see it in the synth rack.
- Choose it there and also mark the MIDI-OUT option. Else you will not see Eloquence in your MIDI-IN list
- Create another MIDI track and choose Eloquence as input device

[deastman]

Well, thanks to the lame signal flow in Sonar, Eloquence can only reside on an audio track, not a MIDI track. Audio tracks have no mechanism for sending MIDI out. So I'm screwed.

I'm running Eloquence with Sonar. I think, the problem with Sonar is, that the plugins are somewhat configurable and some plugin doesn't fit into the default configuration.

Please try this:
- Go into the plugin manager and configure Eloquence as an instrument too, not only an effect.
- Then you see it in the synth rack.
- Choose it there and also mark the MIDI-OUT option. Else you will not see Eloquence in your MIDI-IN list
- Create another MIDI track and choose Eloquence as input device

Thank you! I had checked the plugin manager and configured it as an instrument, but I must have missed the MIDI-Out option. I'll give that a try tomorrow. I really want to make this work.

[deastman]

@Mindmatching: Thanks again, that worked like a charm. I'm now experiencing pure hardware sequencing bliss.

I guess I should have know that by going to the Sonar synth rack and right-clicking on a blank, unlabeled area of the desired instrument, a tiny one-line menu would pop up, allowing me to enable MIDI out from the plugin. That was so obvious and intuitive, I don't know how I missed all these years.

[funkychickendance]

Amazing! SB just issued a v1.01 fix that includes the 'either option' randomizer concept people were talking about.

[Orbit-50]

Amazing! SB just issued a v1.01 fix that includes the 'either option' randomizer concept people were talking about.

I noticed that too. That is amazing. It's almost as if they had it in their pocket, and just whipped it out, and threw it in. It's a great feature. They also added "mutate" which randomizes your patterns, but not as crazy as "randomize". Very nice. These guys aren't fooking around over there. I hope they make an awesome dedicated arpeggiator to go along with this. There are no good ones on the market, so they got a clear shot. - Orbit-50

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[serve]

There are no good ones on the market, so they got a clear shot.

In regards to a Arp:

Yes, yes, yes!

We surely are in need of a massive arp plug. With all the goodies included that only SB can deliver!

[Orbit-50]

We surely are in need of a massive arp plug. With all the goodies included that only SB can deliver!

Amen! The best feature would allow you to specify the order in which the notes are triggered. At least 32 steps. I'm pretty sure they've got the development skills and the insight to do this. - Orbit-50

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[funkychickendance]

Amazing! SB just issued a v1.01 fix that includes the 'either option' randomizer concept people were talking about.

I noticed that too. That is amazing. It's almost as if they had it in their pocket, and just whipped it out, and threw it in. It's a great feature. They also added "mutate" which randomizes your patterns, but not as crazy as "randomize". Very nice. These guys aren't fooking around over there. I hope they make an awesome dedicated arpeggiator to go along with this. There are no good ones on the market, so they got a clear shot. - Orbit-50

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Well, there's this Catanya thingie that has some positive attributes.

What I'd look for in an arpeggiator is roughly this:

a. Access to a variety of 'styles' presets (classical, jazz, techno, rock, etc) with function calls for some standard chord progressions AND variations in how the arp serves up the goods (see the built-in one in IL FL Studio for how not to do it: up, down or up-down)

b. A damn good long run! Like 256 or 512 slots available (unfoldable from the initial 24-36 or whatever constitutes a good dance riff). I'm not asking for the ability to compose piano concertos, I'm just asking to indulge my general preference for Gershwin or McCartney over AC/DC or trance anthems.

c. Some non 4/4 opportunities

All these things are doable and found in bits and pieces. What it needs is some genius systems integrator to tug it all together. I'm not asking for an arp that does my composing for me, but one that'll help with decisions beyond "hmm, up or down?"

To cite an example -- Band In A Box: which has lots of machine intelligence but very few musical smarts. Whatever you do with it sounds like it was played by some geriatric covers band from hell.

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[serve]

I'm pretty sure they've got the development skills and the insight to do this.

Yes they do!

And they should, and then introduce it to the world with a group buy!