B4-II midi CC control problems

[tcharvey]

I'm trying to setup my controller to access the drawbars of the B4-II live and can't seem to get them to talk to each other. I've made sure that the controls on the keyboard are transmitting on the same channel that the B4-II is looking at, and the CC numbers are identical in both places. Am I missing something?
Controller: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88.

[tcharvey]

Well I found a solution, sort of. I've had to reassign all of those drawbars different CC#'s than they originally had (and my controller to match them) and now all of the drawbars work as they should. I don't understand why they won't work on their default numbers. Only the first one would, none of the rest!

[PhilAiken]

Well I found a solution, sort of. I've had to reassign all of those drawbars different CC#'s than they originally had (and my controller to match them) and now all of the drawbars work as they should. I don't understand why they won't work on their default numbers. Only the first one would, none of the rest!

Depending on your setttings - some CC"s are reserved by the Receptor for mixer functions. Sounds like this is what you are running into.

[Bryan@MuseResearch]

Well I found a solution, sort of. I've had to reassign all of those drawbars different CC#'s than they originally had (and my controller to match them) and now all of the drawbars work as they should. I don't understand why they won't work on their default numbers. Only the first one would, none of the rest!

Depending on your setttings - some CC"s are reserved by the Receptor for mixer functions. Sounds like this is what you are running into.

The default B4II controller settings (as are any default controllers of any plugin) are directly accessible by simply clicking on ROUTE MIDI CCs to SOURCE PLUGIN. That basically bypasses the mixer (which normally receives and interprets controller information) and instead sends it straight through to the plugin itself. This is also how you get controllers like the B4D to work... simply click on this button and away you go...

Cheers

Groovology

[brd43]

I'm trying to setup my controller to access the drawbars of the B4-II live and can't seem to get them to talk to each other. I've made sure that the controls on the keyboard are transmitting on the same channel that the B4-II is looking at, and the CC numbers are identical in both places. Am I missing something?
Controller: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88.

Hi, I am having the same problem. I have two CME UF keyboards. Both have 9 slider controls, even with a 'Drawbar' mode. However, when I use the Learn function, and slide the controls, the first set works. Then, the second keyboard starts overwriting the first. That's because both keyboards are set to transmit the same cc numbers. Even though I have each kb transmitting on a different channel, that doesn't seem to matter. The B4 NOTES are being triggered fine from each of my keyboards but I am having trouble finding controls on my CME to handle all the possibilites on the B3 console. So, what I want to know is why can I not affect the two sets of sliders from two different channels. Is it my CME cc numbers that I have to change? Or is there something I can do inside of B4II?? Thanks

[thesoundsmith]

That's because both keyboards are set to transmit the same cc numbers. Even though I have each kb transmitting on a different channel, that doesn't seem to matter.

Use the master channel to send drawbar ccs to the B4 - one set of numbers for upper, a different one for lower. Set both slider groups to transmit on the master channel (usually ch 1) The keyboards can transmit the different midi channels to play, but the drawbars both are set to the master channel.

The only problem is, if you use presets, changing a preset also changes the lower manual settings as well, but this is a B4 issue, not Receptor.

[brd43]

Thank you Soundsmith for your reply. You are absolutely right, different cc numbers would work but I have two identical keyboards, CME UF5 and a CME UF6. Each kb has a set of 9 slider controls representing the B3 drawbars. Unfortunately, each kb is sending exactly the same ccs for the sliders. I need to use the sliders, otherwise, the whole B3 simulation won't work. My sliders have a reverse mode too, sliding downwards increases the value. Cool idea but didn't CME think that somebody might want to use two keyboards to simulate a B3. I don't think this problem is solveable as my equipment stands. B42 is fine, it will take whatever numbers you are able to configure.

[thesoundsmith]

Thank you Soundsmith for your reply. You are absolutely right, different cc numbers would work but I have two identical keyboards, CME UF5 and a CME UF6. Each kb has a set of 9 slider controls representing the B3 drawbars. Unfortunately, each kb is sending exactly the same ccs for the sliders.

Here's how - P
ut your B4II into the slot that matches the master channel: slot 1, master channel 1 on the B4.

Reserve the midi channel (I'll use 6 for this example, as that is how mine is set) and mixer slot that plays the lower manual

Set the upper manual keyboard AND drawbars to ch 1, map the drawbars to the upper manual ccs.

Set the LOWER manual keyboard to the lower manual midi channel (6 here).
Set the lower manual DRAWBARS to the master channel and send the ccs for the SECOND set of drawbars.

All that is left is to verify the volume pedal, it needs to send to the master channel, if you have a volume pedal in each keyboard, only use the TOP one.

This works perfectly for me...

[iacaballero]

I am having problems with my rotary signal on my MAudio axiom. I use the modulation knob to control the rotary but sometimes it doesn't work. I then change it to the pitch knob and it works. I try to change it back to the modulation knob and does not read the knob. I've even restarted my computer and still have problems getting it to read!
SOMEONE HELP!!!!

[thesoundsmith]

Check your Axiom setup, I have had issues with it occasionally losing touch with some controls, CC1 as Leslie controller is one that has reocurred.

Suggestion, and what I did: Get it working, whatever it takes. Save the patch and verify that everything works. Now save the same setup to a different location. Verify that it works as well. Now when one goes down, load the other, make sure it works, and copy back to the first. A pain, but it has kept me going in live situations.