KVR Audio

MWSOS · Post by **MWSOS** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:46 pm

jensa wrote:Martin, in what issue is the review?

September 2009 - my subscriber copy dropped onto the doormat yesterday, so it shold be appearing in the shops any day if it's not there already.

It's a 2.5-page review starting on page 64.

Martin

jensa · Post by **jensa** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:54 pm

Ah, wonderful. Waiting for the online-version. Thanks.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:02 pm

talbo wrote:Having read the great review in SOS,

Hey I'm jealous. I have not read the SoS review in full yet, but Martin tells me it is good.

talbo wrote: I downloaded the demo.I only used a couple last night,big music studio being the main one,and it sounded fantastic.

Hey, thanks, we think so too.

We are currently doing even more improvements that we are quite excited about.

talbo wrote:I saw ACAUDIO Aether did a group buy in April.If they do another I'm in.

Sorry, but at this point, we are not planning to do another Group Buy. It was a wonderful tool for us that turned out to be a win-win for everyone involved, and it helped us get the message out. But at this point we have to think of all of our existing customers and preserve their investment.

Anyway, it is, and has always been, our goal to prove to you that $249.95 is actually pretty cheap for this product. We think some of the stuff we are currently working on for the next update (which is free for existing customers) should make that even more clear.

aplats · Post by **aplats** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:31 pm

Galbanum wrote:Anyway, it is, and has always been, our goal to prove to you that $249.95 is actually pretty cheap for this product. We think some of the stuff we are currently working on for the next update (which is free for existing customers) should make that even more clear.

Any hints on what's to come?

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:16 pm

I could tell you, but I'd have to...

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:24 pm

Galbanum wrote:I could tell you, but I'd have to...

What? Not the Cone of Silence!

rodgetkfp · Post by **rodgetkfp** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:30 pm

Yes, tons of presets, sounding very well, you can adjust almost everything ( but you don't have to ), this is definatly worth a try ( just 249 bucks ).

And no, I don't work for them. Just biggin' up this masterpiece of software.

aplats · Post by **aplats** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:51 pm

Galbanum wrote:I could tell you, but I'd have to...

Give me an early release build to actually show me what's to come!!!???

Haha. Now that's what I'm talking about!

jensa · Post by **jensa** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:18 pm

Hey 2C Audio. Congrats to the rave review on Sound on Sound. Found it now.

Though I already knew I was buying the best.

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:31 pm

jensa wrote:Hey 2C Audio. Congrats to the rave review on Sound on Sound. Found it now. Though I already knew I was buying the best.

Definitively in the best sounding reverb VSTs at the moment, if not THE best so far.
It's in my top 5 for sure, right up there. (I have 25 of them, yeah I know I'm crazy)

Continue your great work guys, I'm looking forward to the next release!

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:13 pm

I tried the demo and am really impressed - so I just bought it!

I have one question after reading through the manual and readmes. If you set it up for stereo in - stereo out (ss on the stereo button), will the LR cross setting of 100 override this and sum both sides to mono anyway?

In other words, to use this verb in true stereo oeration, should I always set LR cross to 0? Or is this taken care of (behind the scenes) automatically when you choose stereo in - stereo out?

Thanks.

(now I'm off to install the "real" version and register it....)

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:05 pm

jbraner wrote:I tried the demo and am really impressed - so I just bought it!

I have one question after reading through the manual and readmes. If you set it up for stereo in - stereo out (ss on the stereo button), will the LR cross setting of 100 override this and sum both sides to mono anyway?

In other words, to use this verb in true stereo oeration, should I always set LR cross to 0? Or is this taken care of (behind the scenes) automatically when you choose stereo in - stereo out?

Thanks.

(now I'm off to install the "real" version and register it....)

Hey. Thanks. Glad you are impressed.

Yes, basically if you set LR Cross to 100%, this is effectly making it run like a mono-summed input. The result will be very similar to if you were simplly using the Mono-Stereo mode. It will not be exactly the same though b/c you are still using extra delay paths in the Stereo-Stereo mode, and these delay paths are modulated, so it will result in a denser sound, and it will cost you about 30% extra CPU usage.

A good general setting for Cross when working in Stereo-Stereo mode is around 50% to 75% (or even up to 87.5% or so). This range is my personal favorite. This keeps some seperation between channels, but allows a good amount of cross channel bleed which augments the sense of lush diffusion....

Complete/perfect dual mono, is useful for special FX, but it really does not ever occur in the real world. ie. you are very unlikely to ever hear a diffuse reverb in only one ear in a real cathedral for exzmple...

so usually some value of cross >0 is desired... I would say really <25% for the LR section starts to get into special FX teritory... It's not a bad place to be if that is what you want, but it is going to start to diverge from the real world...

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:12 pm

Also... I personaly like cross values to be lower for the ER section than for the LR section. Doing so preserves more of the orriginal position in the Early reflections, and allows it to become more diffuse and omnidirectional int he late reflections... This is generally fairly natural... So try an ER Cross setting of 25-50% and an LR Cross setting of 50-75% for example (when in Stereo-Stereo mode).

Also note: when you are running the LR engine in Mono-Stereo mode, that LR Cross has a different meaning. In this case, cross effects the "weight/mix" of the Left/Right channel input ballance before summing them to mono. So for for example, if LR-Cross is set to 0% when in Mono-Stereo mode, this means the input the the LR engine is only coming the Left Channel of stereo input. So any instruments panned hard right in the input will not have any reverb added to them for example... This can also be interesting to explore for more exotic uses...

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:56 pm

Thanks for your quick reply Andrew. I'll print this out and have a play with it. To be honest, I don't think I'll stray far from the presets for now - but I don't want to waste 30% more CPU if it's going to be summing both parts back to mono

Yes, basically if you set LR Cross to 100%, this is effectly making it run like a mono-summed input. The result will be very similar to if you were simplly using the Mono-Stereo mode. It will not be exactly the same though b/c you are still using extra delay paths in the Stereo-Stereo mode, and these delay paths are modulated, so it will result in a denser sound, and it will cost you about 30% extra CPU usage.

I'll see if I can hear a difference

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:12 pm

To be clear, I mean if the Mono-Stereo instance is using 10% (it's usually less, but sake of easy math) of a single core, the Stereo-Stereo will use 30% more than this, or 1.3x as much or, 13% in this case.

So 30% extra RELATIVE to whatever the Mono-Stereo instance is using on your specific machine...

It's not much really...

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