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Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:36 pm

pwal wrote:preset TRANCE BA DigiGlide CYF crashes the stand-alone here

Strange, the most of this beta-presents are programmed on the standalone, but the most on the beta-version, where the easy-mode damaged the sound at the saving.

but some beta-presents will sortet out... but atm i can't really check the prob of the present, my pc pegged out yesterday

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:30 pm

Cyforce wrote:
pwal wrote:preset TRANCE BA DigiGlide CYF crashes the stand-alone here
Strange, the most of this beta-presents are programmed on the standalone, but the most on the beta-version, where the easy-mode damaged the sound at the saving.

but some beta-presents will sortet out... but atm i can't really check the prob of the present, my pc pegged out yesterday

I'll debug these issues tonight. No worries guys!

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:00 pm

Cyforce wrote:
pwal wrote:preset TRANCE BA DigiGlide CYF crashes the stand-alone here
Strange, the most of this beta-presents are programmed on the standalone, but the most on the beta-version, where the easy-mode damaged the sound at the saving.

but some beta-presents will sortet out... but atm i can't really check the prob of the present, my pc pegged out yesterday

Doesn't crash it on mine, but sometimes selecting presets from the browser has crashed it. Seems kind of random, though, not like it's a specific preset. I'm patching in standalone mode too. Some of my patches have randomly crashed it, but none consistently so. None of your have crashed it on my computer.

Also, I've noticed that the audio drivers will sometimes go a little crazy when using the browser or the "PREV/NEXT" buttons to select patches. I'll get intermittent clicks and pops and then the drivers will go silent. If I try to close the program, it crashes. If, however, I go to the Edit/IO Setup menu and re-select my audio interface, it puts it right again. Seems like there is definitely something going on in the browser.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:38 am

Scot Solida wrote:
Cyforce wrote:
pwal wrote:preset TRANCE BA DigiGlide CYF crashes the stand-alone here
Strange, the most of this beta-presents are programmed on the standalone, but the most on the beta-version, where the easy-mode damaged the sound at the saving.

but some beta-presents will sortet out... but atm i can't really check the prob of the present, my pc pegged out yesterday
Doesn't crash it on mine, but sometimes selecting presets from the browser has crashed it. Seems kind of random, though, not like it's a specific preset. I'm patching in standalone mode too. Some of my patches have randomly crashed it, but none consistently so. None of your have crashed it on my computer.

Also, I've noticed that the audio drivers will sometimes go a little crazy when using the browser or the "PREV/NEXT" buttons to select patches. I'll get intermittent clicks and pops and then the drivers will go silent. If I try to close the program, it crashes. If, however, I go to the Edit/IO Setup menu and re-select my audio interface, it puts it right again. Seems like there is definitely something going on in the browser.

Hi folks,

I was debugging these issues last night. When some presets are loaded they are crashing the system, or causing some weird behavior like screwing up the output buffers so audio drivers go crazy.

I spent 3 hours but couldnt figure out the reason yet. Will hopefully sort them out tonight and let you guys know!

Thanks for the patience

Bulent

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:40 am

I'm back home from that camp by now... I'll start testing and asking soon

(Man I'm sick of these 2 day relationships...

)

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:21 am

rectus_dominus wrote:I'm back home from that camp by now... I'll start testing and asking soon

Oh Noo

The bug hunter has arrived

acousticglue · Post by **acousticglue** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:12 am

Yeah using the plugin in SAWStudio it works much better than Standalone version so it has to be the buffers. It takes forever to load in Standalone. (beta version)

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:58 am

It takes foreveer to load the Vst, too

I tried the arpeggiator again, and it can be a bit confusing (yet powerful) I'd suggest some redesign cause it takes some time to get familiarized with it, and it is hard to do everything conciously. Despite it's power, it is not that effective.
It needs at least 1 arp modulator (the volume/velocity is not versatile, it takes away the key expression itself)
The arp needs to be intuitive and ergonomic; i'm sure people who use arps want it to be inspirational and fully controllable.
Also, it needs more Sync settings.

Effects still dont work in oversampling mode; and they actually are more of decoration than useful tools yet; also, they are a bit weak in my opinion. (I didn't tried vocoder yet)
I'll have a more complete essay about the effects soon.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:07 am

rectus_dominus wrote:It takes foreveer to load the Vst, too

Does that happen once or all the time? What's the host that you are using?

I think that has to the with saving program configuration at exit time. I should do that after the waveforms are initialized.

rectus_dominus wrote: It needs at least 1 arp modulator (the volume/velocity is not versatile, it takes away the key expression itself)

What kind of modulator? I thought the most flexible way would be modulating parameters with MIDI velocity, and on the arp steps you control the individual step velocities.

rectus_dominus wrote: Effects still dont work in oversampling mode; and they actually are more of decoration than useful tools yet; also, they are a bit weak in my opinion. (I didn't tried vocoder yet)
I'll have a more complete essay about the effects soon.

Wow, great! I'm open to improvements. Actuaally, I might delay the release 2-3 weeks in order to come up with a better FX plus better wave morphing features. (This weekend I thought about waveform morphing and I have 2 cool ideas to morph between 2 waveforms, and they dont have to be segmented, just regular WAV files)

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:50 am

The key is to have a hands-on synth what can be used instantly by anyone who knows a bit about synthesis. Also, I'm not sure if the effects can be improved that much in 2-3 weeks. Maybe leaving them or disabling them until the problems with other modules are fixed. I'm not sure if the users want a delay with mediocre effects or completely disabled effects until the time comes.

I'll dig myself into some suggestions today. About wave morphing: I'm happy you've a new method in mind.

As I said the arp velocity takes away the midi velocity from further uses. Yeah it's a great idea though.
Like no matter how hard I bash or touch the keys, the velocity is only being handled in the arp section. Of course if it's hard to do then don't force adding an another modulator. It isn't that important.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:38 pm

kv331 wrote: Wow, great! I'm open to improvements. Actuaally, I might delay the release 2-3 weeks in order to come up with a better FX plus better wave morphing features. (This weekend I thought about waveform morphing and I have 2 cool ideas to morph between 2 waveforms, and they dont have to be segmented, just regular WAV files)

Hooray, I'm glad you come up with something simple and really working in that aspect. And I already told you that the FX sections wasn't working, and that SM also takes ages to open in my machine. BTW - rectus what OS are you using?

seismic1 · Post by **seismic1** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:45 pm

pwal wrote:preset TRANCE BA DigiGlide CYF crashes the stand-alone here

I just tried this preset in the stand-alone but was unable to crash the program. I did notice some distortion with this preset through my speakers, so I tried the record option. No distortion apparent in the wav.

I tried the same preset in the VST using EnergyXT2.5.1 - no distortion apparent through the speakers.

I am using beta 17.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:46 pm

A tweaked Windows XP SP3, with Ableton Live 8.03
Funny that without the FX section, I could make a few decent sounding (for me at least) presets with those envelopes and layering and stuff

I suggest investing some time into partial presets because they can really be useful. This is a feature with power

So people wouldn't need tons and tons of sample presets

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:47 pm

fmr wrote:
kv331 wrote: Wow, great! I'm open to improvements. Actuaally, I might delay the release 2-3 weeks in order to come up with a better FX plus better wave morphing features. (This weekend I thought about waveform morphing and I have 2 cool ideas to morph between 2 waveforms, and they dont have to be segmented, just regular WAV files)
Hooray, I'm glad you come up with something simple and really working in that aspect. And I already told you that the FX sections wasn't working, and that SM also takes ages to open in my machine. BTW - rectus what OS are you using?

Dont worry hopefully tonight I'm gonna have fixes for those, as soon as I fix the big showstopper (Crash after prev/next buttons).

Fernando, after reading your comments on the waveform morphing stuff, I thought about how one can morph from a regular periodic waveform to another one (I am not talking about segmented waveform morphing, that's different, I already implemented that)

And yes the morph, new waveform etc functions should be on the wavetable oscillator screen. So I'm gonna add context (popup) menus for creating new waveforms, creating morphs between waveforms etc... I think that's gonna be a more intuitive solution.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:12 pm

kv331 wrote:
fmr wrote:
kv331 wrote: Wow, great! I'm open to improvements. Actuaally, I might delay the release 2-3 weeks in order to come up with a better FX plus better wave morphing features. (This weekend I thought about waveform morphing and I have 2 cool ideas to morph between 2 waveforms, and they dont have to be segmented, just regular WAV files)
Hooray, I'm glad you come up with something simple and really working in that aspect. And I already told you that the FX sections wasn't working, and that SM also takes ages to open in my machine. BTW - rectus what OS are you using?
Dont worry hopefully tonight I'm gonna have fixes for those, as soon as I fix the big showstopper (Crash after prev/next buttons).

Fernando, after reading your comments on the waveform morphing stuff, I thought about how one can morph from a regular periodic waveform to another one (I am not talking about segmented waveform morphing, that's different, I already implemented that)

And yes the morph, new waveform etc functions should be on the wavetable oscillator screen. So I'm gonna add context (popup) menus for creating new waveforms, creating morphs between waveforms etc... I think that's gonna be a more intuitive solution.

Seems like I have to apologize from being a little harsh in my criticisms, but it seems that a little beating sometimes makes wonders. Thank you very much for listening.

If you have the opportunity to see SoundDiver in action programming a Microwave, I think you would understand what I had in mind. And perhaps now you understand why I wanted the wave display to be full window, and not just half window.

BTW - did you ever thought in algorhitmic wavetables? Waldorf had that in the Microwaves, but they abandoned that idea in later models.

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