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[stimresp]

I would recommend those who haven't purchased it yet to pass on this one. This piece of software is nothing more than a gimmick. It's interesting for the first couple of seconds, but it gets boring real fast. In addition, the plug-in will leave you feeling very much limited and constricted within itself. Save the money for something more useful. Oh, and the support received from these guys are terrible. They'll only respond quickly to make a sale, but you're pretty much on your own after that. Hope this helps.

Care to expand on your woes? It's a great musical tool - if you know how to use it and what to use it on.

[firepile]

I would recommend those who haven't purchased it yet to pass on this one. This piece of software is nothing more than a gimmick.

It's interesting for the first couple of seconds, but it gets boring real fast.

Not for me.

In addition, the plug-in will leave you feeling very much limited and constricted within itself. Save the money for something more useful. Oh, and the support received from these guys are terrible. They'll only respond quickly to make a sale, but you're pretty much on your own after that.

Not my experience.

Hope this helps.

No, it did not.

[Orbit-50]

This piece of software is nothing more than a gimmick.

Only if you don't have any idea what it is actually used for.

It's interesting for the first couple of seconds, but it gets boring real fast.

What are you 2 years old? There's plenty to do with Eloquence. If you can't figure out what do with it, I don't know what to tell you.

In addition, the plug-in will leave you feeling very much limited and constricted within itself.

Eloquence Features
Sequencer Tracks
Pitch
The pitch sequencer works in relation to the root key and transposes it by +/- 12 semitones.
It can work in chromatic mode or in scaled mode which expands the tonal capabilities a lot.
In addition, the pitch sequencer has a flexible recording function.
Lock
Lock is part of the pitch sequencer. An active step deactivates the midi transposing. This is useful for keeping important notes and chords in key while transposing the sequence.
Gate
The Gate Sequencer creates notes and determines their velocity.
Mute
The Mute Sequencer is part of the Gate Sequencer and mutes the selected step.
Gate Time
The Gate Time Sequencer determines how long a note is held. Notes can be held up to four times the duration of a step.
Octave
This sequencer moves the pitch the pitch by +/- 2 octaves.
Pitchbend
Here you can select from 12 pitch bend figures to be engaged..
Chord
A Chord is generated using the current note in the pitch sequencer as the root note. Six Variations and four wrap-arounds for major and minor plus six special chords like diminished and augmented are available.
Break
This sequencer lets you set a multi-trigger at 2, 3, or 4 times the normal sequencer speed, playing the current scale up or downwards or just repeating the current note. 18 breaks are available.
Random
Each sequencer step can be replaced by a random value. Minor and major chords can be individually randomized to maintain the harmonic structure.

Action Section
Gatetime
The Gate Time can be increased or decreased, depending on how long you press the button.
Velo Gate
The note will only play if it is above the selected velocity threshold.
Looper
The selected part of the sequence will be looped.
Slowdown
The sequence slows down until it come to a dead stop.
Retrigger
Re-trigger the sequence by re-triggerpressing the button; upon release, the sequencer continues at its normal position..
Halftime
The sequence will play at half speed.
Octave Up
The sequence will play one octave higher as long as you press the button.
Mute
Mutes all data output.

Specials
Internal synthesizer to create patterns on the fly
Special workaround for sending MIDI with the AU plugin
Instant keyboard control for Transpose, Pattern Select, Action Section
Pattern Sequencer
Random and Mutate functions for each sequencer
Individual trigger and sync options, swing function
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Yeah, you're right. All these features are pretty limited and constricting.

Hope this helps.

Not really, considering the fact that you joined our community to slag a piece of software that you probably wouldn't buy any way. You might have been under the impression that it would write the music for you. But it doesn't include that feature as you have keenly figured out. Either you're some retard that has nothing better to do, or you're from another company trying to derail the sales of Eloquence, but I don't appreciate you hijacking my thread with your whining baby shit. You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

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[JPark83]

Yeah, I was messin' with it tonight. It's really cool. It gets this really tight gating effect. You can put notes on all steps and then gate them down to just one notch above nothing. Then the notes you actually want to hear you can bring up. When you combine velocity and gating you get some really funky, rhythmic stuff. The slight playback of the almost fully gated notes gives the track an underlying intensity that you don't get with a straight trance gate like CamelSpace. I've been A/Bing the two along with Gat'r. Although Eloquence is one note at a time (not counting the pre-defined chords you can use), that one note can really be controlled with super precision. Looking at it from the "glass half full" mentality, it forces you to think in terms of lines, even when constructing chords. Just very cool. About to purchase.

I don't know if this would even be possible but it would be great to be able to play your own chords. But I guess this sort of goes way outside the bounds of what this instrument is designed for.

[Orbit-50]

Yeah, I was messin' with it tonight. It's really cool. It gets this really tight gating effect. You can put notes on all steps and then gate them down to just one notch above nothing. Then the notes you actually want to hear you can bring up. When you combine velocity and gating you get some really funky, rhythmic stuff. The slight playback of the almost fully gated notes gives the track an underlying intensity that you don't get with a straight trance gate like CamelSpace. I've been A/Bing the two along with Gat'r. Although Eloquence is one note at a time (not counting the pre-defined chords you can use), that one note can really be controlled with super precision. Looking at it from the "glass half full" mentality, it forces you to think in terms of lines, even when constructing chords. Just very cool. About to purchase.

I don't know if this would even be possible but it would be great to be able to play your own chords. But I guess this sort of goes way outside the bounds of what this instrument is designed for.

Your statement is right on the money. That's what sets Eloquence apart from all other step sequencers. I realized it's true potential within minutes of trying the demo. Eloquence has become my swiss army knife of phrase designing.

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[UncleAge]

Different strokes for different folks happy_natives. Personally I love this little app.

I haven't spent more than about 5 hours with it so far but my initial attraction is to it's rhythmic capabilities. Melody lines will probably come a bit later. At first I hooked it up to a bunch of different synths to get a feel for the canned stuff. Now comes the experimenting. I'm seeing endless possibilities driving sliced samples in Live's drum racks for very different rhythm ideas. I could go on and on about it really, but suffice it to say that I am more than happy with this purchase and I doubt that I will get tired of using it anytime in the forseeable future. This one's a keeper

[Orbit-50]

I'm seeing endless possibilities driving sliced samples in Live's drum racks for very different rhythm ideas. I could go on and on about it really...

Just another one of the creative possibilities using this plugin.

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[jdhawk]

Can someone tell me if this plugin is like the yamaha motif arpeggiator, as in, can I program my own sequence in (pattern, like C,E,C,) then turn that into an arp?... off of one key, and for it to remake the sequence depending on the notes I hit?

[Sugar Bytes]

Can someone tell me if this plugin is like the yamaha motif arpeggiator, as in, can I program my own sequence in (pattern, like C,E,C,) then turn that into an arp?... off of one key, and for it to remake the sequence depending on the notes I hit?

Yeah you can create a sequence and then transpose it with the keyboard.
You can also transpose it while keeping the original scale. And you can do a lot more...

Best
Rico

[Orbit-50]

And you can do a lot more...

You ain't kiddin'.


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[mbncp]

Yeah you can create a sequence and then transpose it with the keyboard.
You can also transpose it while keeping the original scale.[..]

What about an auto-scale/transpose mode based on incoming chords or the chords played by consequence. Currently I need an extra plug to deal with it, but it would be nice being part of Thesys.

[Sugar Bytes]

What about an auto-scale/transpose mode based on incoming chords or the chords played by consequence. Currently I need an extra plug to deal with it, but it would be nice being part of Thesys.

Could you put that into the Thesys feature request thread with a little extra explanation?

thx
Rico