Truthemdot_ambient wrote:To really be worthwhile you need to do a double blind, not a single blind test. And you need to have more samples than just one of each...and you need defined test groups plus a control group. Do at least 4 uncompressed samples of at least 4 different analog machines from different eras. Do the same with hardware VA. Do the same with software VA. No compression, EQ or FX, just sounds directly from the gear with pre-described modulation of filters and envelopes, playing high and low, etc. Actually you could come up with MIDI files to use on each of the synths so that you get exactly the same modulation amounts and phrasing.hakey wrote:The comparison between clips that Jupiter 8 gave us was worthwhile because we (most of us) didn't know which was which - it was a blind A/B (and a clear majority worked out which was the analog).
Name the files with random names, keeping a log of which file name is what synth. And put those files in a folder on a web page. Then, someone who doesn't know which file is what posts them for review with one question: Analog or Digital? for each sample.
You then have 3 groups do the test:
1) Believers in analog's special-ness
2) Believers in VA is just as good or better than analog
3) Control group of people who really don't care one way or the other
Obviously the control group has to at least be familiar with what analog and VA synths are.
Only then can you get a statistically valid study.
Any postulation about the results before this kind of study is done is nothing but pure conjecture.
Analog or digital ?
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 8 Jun, 2004
- KVRAF
- 18530 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Totally valid, but not what we're talking about. Though it does bring out a few good points. A long time ago I bought an Edirol and frankly just the cheap and stiff feel made me think the sound quality of the software was poor as well. (the synth was Absynth) I thought, "Oh this is cool for odd stuff but not anything that would replace a good piece of hardware." Total illusion. When I switched to a Novation Remote 61 it was like the software totally came to life.WMP wrote:I suppose I like collecting them and how they look...
Even recently I was playing with Poly-ana and the patch (a factory one) sounded dead and lifeless. I quickly realized it wasn't velocity sensitive in any way. I made the amp and filter linked to velocity and added some aftertouch to the resonance and viola, I had a kick ass patch. I still bet that many hardware fans have this sense due to the quality of their controller vs the quality of their hardware's keyboard.
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- 18530 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I tried that one a long time ago. Didn't get any response then either.djanthonyw wrote:How about this?living sounds wrote:Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects
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- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Or this... http://admiralquality.com/products/Poly ... _Party.mp3djanthonyw wrote:How about this?living sounds wrote:Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects
http://draigathar.org/sounds/2.5.13.wav
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- KVRAF
- 6496 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from Frederick, MD
Actually I think you missed the point that we're not testing synthesizers but the ability of people to perceive and identify the differences between synth engines. To do that you need a statistically valid method, otherwise we just waste our time babbling about opinion and making smarmy remarks like yours.hakey wrote:Are we testing synthesizers here or an experimental treatment for cancer? (And I think you maybe missed out the bit where we test the chi squared distribution against the null hypothesis.)emdot_ambient wrote:To really be worthwhile you need to do a double blind, not a single blind test. And you need to have more samples than just one of each...and you need defined test groups plus a control group.hakey wrote:The comparison between clips that Jupiter 8 gave us was worthwhile because we (most of us) didn't know which was which - it was a blind A/B (and a clear majority worked out which was the analog).
So there
- KVRAF
- 27006 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Of course, it has distortion applied to it... that is kinda the point...living sounds wrote:Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects
http://draigathar.org/sounds/2.5.13.wav
- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
One more time for page 19
C'mon, guys, don't hold out! This is a conundrum well worthy of explanation.herodotus wrote: Again I ask, why do you people frequent a software forum if you believe hardware is so superior?
Really, I am curious, why?
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- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
For the sake of argument maybe? 
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- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
simply to inform you of the error of your ways. plebians.
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA
People who raise such issues aren't interested in Truth, they only want affirmation of their existing viewpoints and support of the cognitive dissonance that they need in order to rationalize their choices.rouge wrote:
Truth
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA
Getting a drunken hosebag to dance is not an "analog versus digital" issue, though.thecontrolcentre wrote:Girlsjames0tucson wrote:Any girl who is geeky enough to give a crap about your modular synth is geeky enough to appreciate your VST setup.good tunes. You just need to make 'em shake it
@HanafiH great post ...
- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
That's right, it's strictly analog.
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- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
james0tucson wrote:Getting a drunken hosebag to dance is not an "analog versus digital" issue, though.thecontrolcentre wrote:Girlsjames0tucson wrote:Any girl who is geeky enough to give a crap about your modular synth is geeky enough to appreciate your VST setup.good tunes. You just need to make 'em shake it
@HanafiH great post ...
Analog:djanthonyw wrote:That's right, it's strictly analog.
Digital:
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