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emdot_ambient wrote:
hakey wrote:The comparison between clips that Jupiter 8 gave us was worthwhile because we (most of us) didn't know which was which - it was a blind A/B (and a clear majority worked out which was the analog).
To really be worthwhile you need to do a double blind, not a single blind test. And you need to have more samples than just one of each...and you need defined test groups plus a control group. Do at least 4 uncompressed samples of at least 4 different analog machines from different eras. Do the same with hardware VA. Do the same with software VA. No compression, EQ or FX, just sounds directly from the gear with pre-described modulation of filters and envelopes, playing high and low, etc. Actually you could come up with MIDI files to use on each of the synths so that you get exactly the same modulation amounts and phrasing.

Name the files with random names, keeping a log of which file name is what synth. And put those files in a folder on a web page. Then, someone who doesn't know which file is what posts them for review with one question: Analog or Digital? for each sample.

You then have 3 groups do the test:

1) Believers in analog's special-ness
2) Believers in VA is just as good or better than analog
3) Control group of people who really don't care one way or the other

Obviously the control group has to at least be familiar with what analog and VA synths are.

Only then can you get a statistically valid study.

Any postulation about the results before this kind of study is done is nothing but pure conjecture.
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WMP wrote:I suppose I like collecting them and how they look...
Totally valid, but not what we're talking about. Though it does bring out a few good points. A long time ago I bought an Edirol and frankly just the cheap and stiff feel made me think the sound quality of the software was poor as well. (the synth was Absynth) I thought, "Oh this is cool for odd stuff but not anything that would replace a good piece of hardware." Total illusion. When I switched to a Novation Remote 61 it was like the software totally came to life.

Even recently I was playing with Poly-ana and the patch (a factory one) sounded dead and lifeless. I quickly realized it wasn't velocity sensitive in any way. I made the amp and filter linked to velocity and added some aftertouch to the resonance and viola, I had a kick ass patch. I still bet that many hardware fans have this sense due to the quality of their controller vs the quality of their hardware's keyboard.
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djanthonyw wrote:
living sounds wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects

http://draigathar.org/sounds/2.5.13.wav
Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.
How about this?
I tried that one a long time ago. Didn't get any response then either. :?
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djanthonyw wrote:
living sounds wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects

http://draigathar.org/sounds/2.5.13.wav
Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.
How about this?
Or this... http://admiralquality.com/products/Poly ... _Party.mp3
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hakey wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:
hakey wrote:The comparison between clips that Jupiter 8 gave us was worthwhile because we (most of us) didn't know which was which - it was a blind A/B (and a clear majority worked out which was the analog).
To really be worthwhile you need to do a double blind, not a single blind test. And you need to have more samples than just one of each...and you need defined test groups plus a control group.
Are we testing synthesizers here or an experimental treatment for cancer? (And I think you maybe missed out the bit where we test the chi squared distribution against the null hypothesis.) :lol:
Actually I think you missed the point that we're not testing synthesizers but the ability of people to perceive and identify the differences between synth engines. To do that you need a statistically valid method, otherwise we just waste our time babbling about opinion and making smarmy remarks like yours.

So there :P

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living sounds wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I like analog but I got no interest in maintaining equipment, spending the money or making the space... I am happy with my soft synths... straight digital synth, no effects

http://draigathar.org/sounds/2.5.13.wav
Midrange hurts my ears, bass is muddy, no clear high end.
Of course, it has distortion applied to it... that is kinda the point...

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One more time for page 19
herodotus wrote: Again I ask, why do you people frequent a software forum if you believe hardware is so superior?

Really, I am curious, why?
C'mon, guys, don't hold out! This is a conundrum well worthy of explanation.

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For the sake of argument maybe? :hihi:
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simply to inform you of the error of your ways. plebians.
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wow ... the analog v digital thread is now software v hardware. Excellent :hihi:

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rouge wrote:
Truth :!:
People who raise such issues aren't interested in Truth, they only want affirmation of their existing viewpoints and support of the cognitive dissonance that they need in order to rationalize their choices.

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thecontrolcentre wrote:
james0tucson wrote:Any girl who is geeky enough to give a crap about your modular synth is geeky enough to appreciate your VST setup.
Girls :love: good tunes. You just need to make 'em shake it :)

@HanafiH great post ...
Getting a drunken hosebag to dance is not an "analog versus digital" issue, though.

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That's right, it's strictly analog.
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james0tucson wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
james0tucson wrote:Any girl who is geeky enough to give a crap about your modular synth is geeky enough to appreciate your VST setup.
Girls :love: good tunes. You just need to make 'em shake it :)

@HanafiH great post ...
Getting a drunken hosebag to dance is not an "analog versus digital" issue, though.
djanthonyw wrote:That's right, it's strictly analog.
Analog:


Digital:
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