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Jazzy.Shredder wrote:Apologies if this has already been answered, but has anyone here used the V-Machine as an effects processor only? How well does it perform when you are to use two or more effects plugins simultaneously?
Yes, I use it a fair bit in that type of situation as I am an engineer not a keyboard player. The next software release will have some more features to make it easier to use as an FX processor.

I have run amplitube for realtime guitar FX and it is great. Used it for a realtime vocoder to add fx to vocals like the 'Cher' vocal sound that most people want to try and reproduce.

The v-machine has a 1ghz cpu so you need to be realistic about chaining plugins together by looking at the requirements for the plugins that you wish to use.

The IK multimedia CSR reverb lists it as needing a minimum of 1ghz cpu and that is actually accurate as it uses 99% of the power up to run CSR. Reverbs are one the most power hungry types of effects.

With other reverbs and eqs that are more streamlined then you can chain them together and the software allows you to run different plugins on the left channel to the right channel.

Kjaerhus Audio, Classic Series is very light on the cpu, work well and are free. You can chain away with those.
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Sharp wrote:...I will never drop below 64 Notes of poly REGARDLESS of what sounds I load.


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Sharp
Hi Sharp, I don't think it's only a setup problem. What Piano sampleset do you use? Are there any release samples? I think the problem has to do with release/keyoff samples... White Grand Jr. has 4 release samples per note, and this thing is probably quite hard to manage for the V-Machine. By ignoring release/keyoff samples (Samplelord advanced import options), I can finally play WG Jr. in a quite comfortable manner with audio buffersize set to 256 and Disk streaming set to 500 ms (with precaching). Personally, I'm trying to find a way (if it exists) to optimize streaming in order to reduce buffersize to 128 without clips... latency at 256 is a bit annoying for this instrument in my opinion. Is RAM usage when loading samplelord fixed to 98%? I don't see any change on V-Machine display (Mem: xx % ) when I set 250 ms streaming instead of 500ms... One must consider that on my PC, for this sound configuration, 500ms= 100 MB Ram . That leads me to believe that samplelord allocates all the memory available... (???) Anyway, if you could share your settings and the name of the samplesets you use, it would be surely more helpful. As a matter of fact, V-Machine can't load WG Jr. as it is... you have to disable keyoff samples, losing some details of the sampled instrument.
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Hi LukeVst
Hi Sharp, I don't think it's only a setup problem. What Piano sampleset do you use? Are there any release samples? I think the problem has to do with release/keyoff samples...
I do my own sampling as I sell libraries for KORG Keyboards, but I assemble larger Giga File versions for my own personal use out of the work I do. My main piano has 5 samples per key, but there are no note off samples.
White Grand Jr. has 4 release samples per note, and this thing is probably quite hard to manage for the V-Machine. By ignoring release/keyoff samples (Samplelord advanced import options), I can finally play WG Jr. in a quite comfortable manner with audio buffersize set to 256 and Disk streaming set to 500 ms (with precaching).
That's quite odd really. Since none of my sounds use off note samples I can't really comment there. I'm just surprised that they make such a difference and cripple the V-Machine. Could it be a problem with Samplelord itself ?
Is RAM usage when loading samplelord fixed to 98%? I don't see any change on V-Machine display (Mem: xx % ) when I set 250 ms streaming instead of 500ms... One must consider that on my PC, for this sound configuration, 500ms= 100 MB Ram . That leads me to believe that samplelord allocates all the memory available... (???)
Yeah, I don't quite understand that myself. When I assemble my sounds in VFX, it's the memory usage of Samplelord there that I monitor when creating my sets. When I transfer them over to the V-Machine the RAM usage displayed simply does not make any sense at all.
Anyway, if you could share your settings and the name of the samplesets you use, it would be surely more helpful. As a matter of fact, V-Machine can't load WG Jr. as it is... you have to disable keyoff samples, losing some details of the sampled instrument.
Yep, I'll take a look at my V-Machine later and post the settings. With regards to what sample libraries I'm using outside my own creations, I have a very large array of AKAI disks converted to Giga Format. Probably the most complex AKAI disk I have is World Winds by Durk Campbell as a single sound can have upwards of 8 different multisamples within a single program.

I'm just trying to think here of why everything works for me so well and what do all my sounds have in common regardless of the source and it's that they are all now in Giga formats and more importantly none of my sounds have off note samples.

So maybe your problem really is down to off note samples. Why is the next question I guess. I can't think of any reason why that would cripple the V-Machine so much. A maximum of 5 notes poly is a massive drop from what my V-Machine is doing while also running a reverb at the same time.

Could it be a problem with Samplelord itself running on the V-Machine more so than the V-Machine simply running out of CPU power ? Might be worth sending off an email to the guy behind sampleloard.

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Sharp
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VFXAU wrote:Hi,

Where did you hear that the latency is high? the V-Machine was deisgned mainly for Live use. 128-256 buffer setting is great for live use, especially if you consider you are only talking about output latency for VSTi, not audio processing which doubles this figure internally.
Dear friends, I start to have some doubts about what this thing was designed for... after a simple A/B comparison, I realized that V-Machine with a buffersize set to 256 gives much more latency than my m-audio soundcard set to 256... (S/R 44.1 KHz - Windows PC) same Samplelord version, same sound library WG Jr. It seems that you have to set buffer to 128 in order to obtain the same latency M-Audio gives with 256 buffersize... but then the clips start to take place... So there must be some additional midi latency or a bad ASIO management... Latency is not the strongest point of this box,I'm afraid... (I wonder if there are strong points apart from the small chassis...) :(
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gBeat2 wrote:and? other day...

and another...
and another month...another one...

...and years?!

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Hi friends,finally some good news... converting samples with EXSC from 24 bit to 16 bit resolution, I can play WG Jr. (without release samples) on the V-Machine with buffersize set to 128 with enough polyphony... So now there's at least a reason not to put this thing apart at the moment... I hope the CPU upgrade, which is really needed, will be available soon. I think EXSC is a very helpful tool to make complex samplesets work with this box. Bye
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Hi everyone!
I place my question here because SMPro support site don't answer me...
I'm trying to change preset on V-Machine via standard MIDI CC32 and patch via MIDI program change. My V-Machine is set to change patch via midi program change.
I'm able to change patch on the same preset but v-machine don't respond to CC32 before a program change...
Even if I use CC learn, V-machine recognize all CC's but not CC32.
Have you ever experience this behavoiur?

PS: however if v-machine is loading a patch doesn't respond to midi messages! so if i scroll patch via rotary dial on my keyboard is possible that v-machine not update the last progra change!

Thank so much and sorry for bad English!
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I think that you need to use CC0 AND CC32 combined, as they are for MSB and LSB respectively.
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DragonSagoth wrote:I think that you need to use CC0 AND CC32 combined, as they are for MSB and LSB respectively.
It's what i've done!
I send in the order CC0, CC32 and Program Change!
The effect is that only change patch in the current preset!
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Which VST(s) is (are) in question?
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DragonSagoth wrote:Which VST(s) is (are) in question?
All VSTs... I don't think it's a VST problem!
If I do MIDI Learn on V-Machine for preset and bank change, recognize all CC but don't recognize CC0 and CC32..

I'm just starting to think that it's an unusable piece of gear... Too much limited, you have to compromise on all functions!
And if i can't resolv the change of preset it's impossible to use live!!!
PS about polyphony: in superwave P8 with some patch polyphoni is limited to 2 notes even if i set buffer to 1024!!! so in live you have to think how much note you are playing because of crack and pops... and it's a single plugin! and it's the same with most of plugin listed on SM site!!!

I hope i'm doing a mistake on MIDI side because it's very annoying
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m42 nebula from algomusic works unlimited on v-machine and is blowing you away. Unfortunately bank change does not work with v-machine. I reported this to smproaudio and I hope, they solve this one day...
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feldmann wrote:m42 nebula from algomusic works unlimited on v-machine and is blowing you away.
Ok, i don't have nebula m42, but before buy v-machine i was thinking that plugins listed on SMpro site would have been playable and not only installable!!!
The playable subset is very limited!!!
feldmann wrote:Unfortunately bank change does not work with v-machine. I reported this to smproaudio and I hope, they solve this one day...
This night i've made some experiment...
It seems that v-machine recognize preset change as bank change and don't recognize CC0!
So i've made a setup with 1 plugin per bank and i'm able to switch between banks via CC32.
It's not very clear why using bank and program change it loads always the last patch saved on VFX for that bank. I think it's due to problems between plugin and chunk.
So for now the only way to change between plugins is to assign only one plugin per bank and only one patch per preset, setting on v-machine preset change on midi program change.
But i'm not able to manage under the same preset the internal patch of plugin!!
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Hi guys, has anyone tried to load KORG legacy M1 OR wavestation on th V-machine? I'm getting some errors with the vfx file on SM Pro Audio site, so I just wanted to know if someone has load those sounds successfully. Many thanks
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