KV331 Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:53 am

kv331 wrote:Ok, I'll check it out tonight and fix it.

I changed my post above. Changing the volume seems to help.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:05 am

So I might scale the output according to the unison voices?

1 voice: No change
2 voice : x 0.707
3 voice : x 0.577
4 voice : x 0.5
5 voice : x 0.447
6 voice : x 0.408
7 voice : x 0.378
8 voice : x 0.354

Does that make sense?

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:17 am

kv331 wrote:So once we reach 400 presets it will be time to create demo songs for SynthMaster 2.0

Just playing with the latest beta now

Subz

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:20 pm

kv331 wrote:So I might scale the output according to the unison voices?

1 voice: No change
2 voice : x 0.707
3 voice : x 0.577
4 voice : x 0.5
5 voice : x 0.447
6 voice : x 0.408
7 voice : x 0.378
8 voice : x 0.354

Does that make sense?

I don't really know, this has to be tested with the patches that cause problems. I stated two of them in my post.
I found that the distortion/the crackles gets more with higher unison so you could be right with your suggestion.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:47 pm

Ingonator wrote: I found that the distortion/the crackles gets more with higher unison so you could be right with your suggestion.

That's expected as they signal is "hard" clipped. Try turning on the 4 band EQ. It has soft limiter at the output, that might help a little bit and color the output as well.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:45 pm

Okay, I've tried it and made it crash in 5 minutes
Try playing midi then start fiddle with the layer2's bypass switch

Unison & pan spread works and do their effect, thanks
Didn't have the chance to test the waveshape and cutoff spread, the cutoff one is less dominant voice changer, I think

Will continue to toy with it from next monday.

I think you should make a switch for the parameter handling. I've complained about it earlier. When playing something, and trying to change the cutoff for example, it doesn't. (Your feature

)

I'll be available later on

S-N-S · Post by **S-N-S** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:40 pm

just tried the new beta in renoise,and the loading time has been improved,thats a nice thing

theres still quite a few GUI "glitches"but i guess they will be sorted

the new effects works great(havent had time to test-drive them properly yet)

but i think its time to make some presets for the effects???

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:35 pm

S-N-S wrote: but i think its time to make some presets for the effects???

Keep in my that we have "partial" preset system as well, i.e. presets for separate parts including individual effects.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:05 pm

When will be all of the partial presets done?

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:31 pm

rectus_dominus wrote:When will be all of the partial presets done?

What do you mean? Presets for FX?

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:37 pm

rectus_dominus wrote: I think you should make a switch for the parameter handling. I've complained about it earlier. When playing something, and trying to change the cutoff for example, it doesn't.

Continuous parameters change in real-time (knobs). That's not the case for some discrete parameter such as the filter type.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 pm

Partial presets for FX, modules and so on...

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:12 pm

Cyforce wrote:3 Bugs found:

1. Global FX -> Vocoder EnvDecay Knob are 2 Knobs overlayerd(gui bug)
2. Unisio use with additiv oscs make many crackles
3. If i use wavetable-osc and load a wave comes error screen and than bluescreen and laptop make a reboot

(host in logic 5.5.1 with asio4all)

I just fixed the above issues. As for the unison issue, I implemented volume scaling when unison is turned on, so basicly the volume is scaled to 1/sqrt(n) where n is the number if unison voices.

EDIT: Uploaded the new build for the above fixes. Download if necessary.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:54 am

kv331 wrote:
Cyforce wrote:3 Bugs found:

1. Global FX -> Vocoder EnvDecay Knob are 2 Knobs overlayerd(gui bug)
2. Unisio use with additiv oscs make many crackles
3. If i use wavetable-osc and load a wave comes error screen and than bluescreen and laptop make a reboot

(host in logic 5.5.1 with asio4all)
I just fixed the above issues. As for the unison issue, I implemented volume scaling when unison is turned on, so basicly the volume is scaled to 1/sqrt(n) where n is the number if unison voices.

EDIT: Uploaded the new build for the above fixes. Download if necessary.

Looks like 1.) is not fixed, still two overlaying knobs.

In beta 21 I could still hear crackles even if they are less, mostly in the patches from rsmus7. Could anyone here confirm this or is it only a problem of my system? I tried the patches with the standalone version. Most patches (all patches without unison) don't cause problems so i guess it's not just a problem with my system.
Maybe rsmus7 could check this himself if he finds some time.

UPDATE:
1.) Found the same in the VST version, again mostly the patches of rsmus7.

2.) Another bug: If using the VST plugin in Ableton Live 8 at a random time and a random patch the CPU use goes over 100% and the sound stops. I started Live new and next time this happened again with a different patch and after a different time. I have to check if this happens only now or also at a later time.

3.) Something with rsmus7's patches is really strange. Some of them cause crackles and some pads, e.g. "PAD coldsmoother III SM" with a single instance give up to 50% CPU use on my Quadcore Q6600 CPU. This doesn't happen for example with my own pads (CPU app. 7-10%) or Scot Solida's pads.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:37 am

Ingonator wrote: Looks like 1.) is not fixed, still two overlaying knobs.

In beta 21 I could still hear crackles even if they are less, mostly in the patches from rsmus7. Could anyone here confirm this or is it only a problem of my system? I tried the patches with the standalone version. Most patches (all patches without unison) don't cause problems so i guess it's not just a problem with my system.
Maybe rsmus7 could check this himself if he finds some time.

Apparently I forgot to copy over the interface.xml file to the latest build. Anyhow will do that this weekend.

Regarding crackles, they are the result of "hard clipping" I believe, so not a bug technically, just due to excessive volume. If preset volumes were lowered, it should go away, and for unison I already took care of that by scaling down the volume when unison voices are turned on.

Until the end of next week my concentration will still be on FX: Particularly Reverb & Phaser. The phaser is very easy to implement, will have between 1-8 notches... Might add feedback parameter as well.

For the reverb, I'll make it more visually editable and add lo/hishelf EQs to the late reverberation part. Also will rewrite the early reflection part so it sounds more "traditional".

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