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This whole discussion is a "little" absurd.

OK, let's say you can't hear the finer nuances of the bass sounds in most songs you have, using the monitor speakers you use right now, using the listening skills you have at this point in life. That's possible, and perfectly OK.

But I don't understand how that leads to the conclusion that if you can freely choose between a tool that seems about sufficient for a job, or another that might sometimes be overkill but clearly does the job better, you should just settle for the "OK" tool?

Do you have to pay something or does someone hit you in the head for every megabyte a plugin uses in your computer? Are your computer resources somehow sacred, and you should do everything you can to constantly keep as much free RAM in your computer as you can? If a bass plugin takes 30GB on your hard disk, do you have to pay a tax for that?

After having loaded all you need in memory, it simply doesn't matter if you have 1GB or 10GB of it free. Everything works just as well.

In real life of course, you might not have enough RAM or CPU, and the dreaded 4GB limit will probably prevent me from fully using Trilian until I can go 64 bit. But once that limit is gone, I will happily use all the biggest and best sounds I have, all the time. Maybe I can't always hear the difference between a 1000GB and 1MB bass, but what the heck. Someone else might, and I know I have become better and better in listening to different kinds of things in songs during my life. Maybe one day I'll be happy I used the better sound. And even if not... I lost nothing. Well maybe a couple of minutes waiting for the bigger sounds to load. :)

(EDIT: And just to be clear - it totally depends on the situation what works. Sometimes a simple quantized synth bass sounds the best, sometimes a n+1 GB multi-sampled monster bass. I don't mean to imply that sounds that take more memory are automatically always better.)

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Tren wrote:
Hard quantized acoustic drums and bass sound awful and anyone who can't hear that or hear the huge difference between Gadd playing to a click, with mechanized MIDI beat needs their ears tested FAR more than someone who can't hear the difference IN A MIX between a 1MB well programmed and played bass patch and Trilian's fancy big presets. In my humble opinion.
i don't understand what you are saying

hard-quantised stuff (or things played in time) can sound good if there is variety in velocity, hits etc....there are drummers out there who can really lock to time....they probably make it part of their practice...pretty fundamental, i'd say.....

MIDI beats , as you seem to be implying are rigid , soul-less, lacking in feel....well some are....but a well programmed midi beat is something else entirely

i put the question to you again...IF steve gadd dropped a performance on your latest track that couldn't be quantised any tighter, would you wait till he left the room to sneak in a groove template ???

anyways....indulge me.....this is a piece of my own that is screaming out for triillian....drums are hardquantised by default of the fact that i haven't humanised them yet....they still sound a bit mechanical because it is still in early stages of programming...i will add more variety to the patterns...the whole kit will also change when i get my hands on superior 2 and benefit from round-robins and different articulations and drum-hit placements...agt the moment it is just a sketch (albeit a more detailed one)...the kit is slighlty modified battery 3 kit (not the best)...and the bass is a garageband fretless, used in logic with some added effects to form a channel strip

the choon hasn't been touched for almost 3 years now......and is missing the guitars, lead/melody elements and some form of structure

but for all it's hard quantisation, i think it still got a groove....it will have more so by the time i is done....

i reckon trillian is gonna be just the ticket

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1982708/groover.mp3

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ebow wrote:
Tren wrote:
Hard quantized acoustic drums and bass sound awful and anyone who can't hear that or hear the huge difference between Gadd playing to a click, with mechanized MIDI beat needs their ears tested FAR more than someone who can't hear the difference IN A MIX between a 1MB well programmed and played bass patch and Trilian's fancy big presets. In my humble opinion.
i don't understand what you are saying

hard-quantised stuff (or things played in time) can sound good if there is variety in velocity, hits etc....there are drummers out there who can really lock to time....they probably make it part of their practice...pretty fundamental, i'd say.....

MIDI beats , as you seem to be implying are rigid , soul-less, lacking in feel....well some are....but a well programmed midi beat is something else entirely

i put the question to you again...IF steve gadd dropped a performance on your latest track that couldn't be quantised any tighter, would you wait till he left the room to sneak in a groove template ???

anyways....indulge me.....this is a piece of my own that is screaming out for triillian....drums are hardquantised by default of the fact that i haven't humanised them yet....they still sound a bit mechanical because it is still in early stages of programming...i will add more variety to the patterns...the whole kit will also change when i get my hands on superior 2 and benefit from round-robins and different articulations and drum-hit placements...agt the moment it is just a sketch (albeit a more detailed one)...the kit is slighlty modified battery 3 kit (not the best)...and the bass is a garageband fretless, used in logic with some added effects to form a channel strip

the choon hasn't been touched for almost 3 years now......and is missing the guitars, lead/melody elements and some form of structure

but for all it's hard quantisation, i think it still got a groove....it will have more so by the time i is done....

i reckon trillian is gonna be just the ticket

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1982708/groover.mp3
also it is worth pointing out that 99% of all the best albums that use synth bass are hard quantised....try and get a d.j to play a choon that aint and see how many times it's in his/her set

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welldone wrote:
Dr.Wu wrote:oh she is gorgeous
loved her gig with Jeff Beck
Have you been at Ronnie Scott's?? (Where's that envy emoticon, when you need it...)
I have some of it from recorded on the dvr, but that performance (jeff beck) dvd is on my short/inexpensive list of xmas presents.

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Captain your whole argument fails to bring money into the equation - from the side of the producer. That and whether an audience can really hear enough of a difference in the product in the context of modern pop rock mixes, to justify the cost.

Anyway, I'm done here. My advice is make music how you want, and follow whatever rules work for you. I only stepped in because I felt sonkeysankey was getting an unfair treatment with his, in my opinion, fully justified attitude towards bass patches in the context of the music that dominates the charts in rock and pop.

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Tren wrote:Captain your whole argument fails to bring money into the equation - from the side of the producer. That and whether an audience can really hear enough of a difference in the product in the context of modern pop rock mixes, to justify the cost.
Yep, that is of course true. But since I got Trilian as a free upgrade, I didn't need to think about that. :P Heh, more seriously, if you are actually making music for a living, I mean music that a lot of people are actually going to listen to, I don't think $299 for a great bass sound is going to be a big problem for you. Or adding some more memory / HD to your computer. The things that really cost are elsewhere.

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Here's another short few bars I wrote with another strong synth bass sound from Trilian, since that is what sonkeysankey seems to think 'all' the songs in the charts use.

http://www.4shared.com/file/145753406/3 ... lian2.html

(again, you need to remove the space near the end of the URL)

Is that good enough and puncy enough for you sonkey?

Captain, I totally agree with you, why not have ALL the options, rahter than be limited to tinny little 1MB samples, like sonkey is suggesting?

Tren, I don't know why you want to 'naturalise' bass or drums, most people would be put off by an attempt to make drums sound natural by removing quantisation.

Come on Sonkey - put your money where your mouth is, produce something like my little demos using your 'tracker'...

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saratraya wrote:Here's another short few bars I wrote with another strong synth bass sound from Trilian, since that is what sonkeysankey seems to think 'all' the songs in the charts use.

http://www.4shared.com/file/145753406/3 ... lian2.html

(again, you need to remove the space near the end of the URL)

Is that good enough and puncy enough for you sonkey?

Captain, I totally agree with you, why not have ALL the options, rahter than be limited to tinny little 1MB samples, like sonkey is suggesting?

Tren, I don't know why you want to 'naturalise' bass or drums, most people would be put off by an attempt to make drums sound natural by removing quantisation.

Come on Sonkey - put your money where your mouth is, produce something like my little demos using your 'tracker'...
liked this clip....had my guitar in hand....knocked out some nice lines....then dusted down my nose and played along

did you catch the file i uploaded ??? in a totally different field.....both amply covered by trillian, it would seem......i must get it at some point

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Tren wrote:A lot of produced pop music which uses electric/acoustic bass instruments does not feature bass solos and usually does not feature parts of the song where the bass is exposed very much if at all. Therefore if that kind of music is the kind being composed predominantly, then Trilian is a luxury rather than a necessity.
True. However, I don't think Trillian was designed for the average pop/rock composer. All the guys at Spectrasonics are musicians (I think), so they know pretty well how frustrating is to compose funk and jazz basslines with a keyboard. Is hard even with dedicated bass libraries, as you need to memorize all the keyswitchs for the different articulations and everything.

Here's where I think sonkeysankey's argument falls flat, he's viewing Trillian in a pop/electronica context. HUGE mistake since pop and electronica basslines tend to be extremely lame (old house, deep house and acid jazz being some exceptions of course).

I managed to resist the lust of Omnisphere, but the price and that superb Upright are really tempting me to buy Trillian, really...
Last edited by Venomeza on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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This one shows Trilian's bass better Ebow:

http://www.4shared.com/file/145747048/a ... lian1.html

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saratraya wrote:This one shows Trilian's bass better Ebow:

http://www.4shared.com/file/145747048/a ... lian1.html
yes but i prefer the 2nd choon

i'm only using my laptop speakers at the moment , so it's hard to get a true feeling...but i wouldn't buy trillian, probably , just for the synth type sounds if only 'cause i've got those basses (tee-hee) covered...

if i didn't own any other synths, i would definitely go for trillian eben if it was just for the synth bass...but it just isn't urgent enough for me to spend money on

did you download the choon i linked to....this will give you an idea of the kind of thing i'm looking for in trillian ???

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Loved your tune Ebow, excellent, I love the way it develops over the course of the song, really good job!

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saratraya wrote:Loved your tune Ebow, excellent, I love the way it develops over the course of the song, really good job!
cheers man though i feel it doesn't really develop very well yet...good to get a fresh perspective

so can i borrow your trillian, then :D

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Give us an update on : playablity , reliablity, cpu usage How is it working
in cubase 4 cubase4 64 bit preview and cubase 5 , how about sonar 32
and 64?. My sales engeer probibly call soon Should I buy now.Eric's demos sound awesome!almost to good to be true.
Is trillian what you expected? Can you do fast repeated notes like Chris Squire?This the only thing I didn't hear in Eric's demo's.

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cant tell you anything about PC performance but on my Mac it is everything i expected.
Sounds totally organic and is fun to play.
Thanks to extensive round robin even superfast repated lines sound like the real deal.

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