KVR Audio

RawTheory · Post by **RawTheory** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:10 pm

I'm using Reaper everyday, but man I really, really, really want/NEED an audio snap/warp feature a la Live or any other major DAW. At this point every big host can do it but Reaper can't and that totally sucks for editing everything from drums to guitar. Incrementally moving the playback speed fader per item is not a work around at all.

captain caveman · Post by **captain caveman** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:22 pm

RawTheory wrote:I'm using Reaper everyday, but man I really, really, really want/NEED an audio snap/warp feature a la Live or any other major DAW. At this point every big host can do it but Reaper can't and that totally sucks for editing everything from drums to guitar. Incrementally moving the playback speed fader per item is not a work around at all.

You can split items and hold Alt while timestretching the end of one and the beginning of another at the same time. Look at the split points like warp markers you can edit, but not automatically quantise like this.

covalent · Post by **covalent** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:27 pm

Every time I see a screenpic of Logic's mixer and/or track view, I'll admit to feeling a bit of DAW envy.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:33 pm

captain caveman wrote:
RawTheory wrote:I'm using Reaper everyday, but man I really, really, really want/NEED an audio snap/warp feature a la Live or any other major DAW. At this point every big host can do it but Reaper can't and that totally sucks for editing everything from drums to guitar. Incrementally moving the playback speed fader per item is not a work around at all.
You can split items and hold Alt while timestretching the end of one and the beginning of another at the same time. Look at the split points like warp markers you can edit, but not automatically quantise like this.

Or simply record it better so you wouldn't need warping at all

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:42 pm

covalent wrote:Every time I see a screenpic of Logic's mixer and/or track view, I'll admit to feeling a bit of DAW envy.

I like the clean lines of the PT8 GUI ..... but the Logic GUI is just horrible IMO.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:50 pm

dgkenney wrote:

This one looked the best to me. (and that's a fact)

What is it?

Reaper?

Dan

Holey Moley! I hadn't seen that new Reaper skin. Where's the record button?

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:54 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
dgkenney wrote:

This one looked the best to me. (and that's a fact)

What is it?

Reaper?

Dan
Holey Moley! I hadn't seen that new Reaper skin. Where's the record button?

There's two play button and a record button, but they're under a layer of bloat.

Ubiety · Post by **Ubiety** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:17 pm

At least the transport is not bloated.

dgkenney · Post by **dgkenney** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:24 pm

LawrenceF wrote: Holey Moley! I hadn't seen that new Reaper skin. Where's the record button?

You boys are really bad.

Can't we have a serious discussion without this kind of OT.

And Laurence you know full well thats the VI that comes with Cubase - Halle-on

Dan

covalent · Post by **covalent** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:32 pm

Melkor wrote:
covalent wrote:Every time I see a screenpic of Logic's mixer and/or track view, I'll admit to feeling a bit of DAW envy.
I like the clean lines of the PT8 GUI ..... but the Logic GUI is just horrible IMO.

I also like the look of the new ProTools UI. (though I don't feel quite the same level of DAW envy when I see it)...

I guess we'll just have to have a multi-page argument on who's opinion is more credible.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:44 pm

dgkenney wrote:And Laurence you know full well thats the VI that comes with Cubase - Halle-on

Dan

HalleOn One...

I spell my name that way ^^^ when I hit on British chicks.

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:51 pm

visa tapani wrote:It's always interesting to me that people don't seem to understand what UI means. Yes, the UI of Reaper is a mess an no, you can't change the important parts. There's really very little to do to alleviate the problem, changing the skin doesn't help.

DragonSagoth wrote:I find Reaper's UI very good. I guess it's a highly subjective matter. Thus, it's not a valid fact because not everyone can agree on it.

That's what I wanted to say. I think I understand UI quite well. But to each their own as this is highly subjective cause it incorporates workflow.

Shogger

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:54 pm

dgkenney wrote:This one looked the best to me. (and that's a fact)

What is it?

Reaper?

Dan

Nice one, Dan!

Shogger

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:58 pm

visa tapani wrote:It's always interesting to me that people don't seem to understand what UI means. Yes, the UI of Reaper is a mess an no, you can't change the important parts. There's really very little to do to alleviate the problem, changing the skin doesn't help.

Indeed. Reaper's UI is fundamentally the same as before, barring a few interesting upgrades with 3.x that are improvements yes but, not on par with standard commercial DAWs imo.

What I don't like specifically is:

1. Menu navigation. The right-click menus are overloaded with options. The organization and naming conventions for features and controls is obscure in many places. Overall, the navigation and layout feels like an afterthought. It's not intuitive to me. They should probably hire a proper user interface designer who understands what "look and feel" REALLY means. You can't just "skin" something to make it better.

2. Standard and uninspiring use of windows components in lieu of custom GUI controls. Logic and the latest version of Pro Tools are great models for good design of controls. Reaper still relies on the OS for controls. It's flat, boring and reeks of an unfinished UI. Well, IMO of course

We don't need to run your DAW on a keychain or a Pentium 2 machine. High powered computers and 2GB of RAM is affordable now. Make something nice that is easy to use and attractive. Reaper's design looks like the old Waves plug-ins to me.

3. Workflow. Well, I just don't like it. Matter of opinion really. I do like the IO and routing features though. What they have done with routing is pretty creative but overall, it's too funky for me.

4. Reaper still sucks for looping compared to DAWs like Live. Its REX support is more than a little awkward

Overall, Reaper still reminds me of Winamp. Who cares if I can skin it? Give me something professional that looks and feels great to use. But it's all a matter of opinion and taste so there's no need to defend it either way. I agree that in its current state its more for advanced DAW users. If they want to reach a larger market they'll need to overhaul the GUI and come into the new mellinium with the design. But hey, ymmv and imo

Rich

Btw, I am a registered user who actually purchased a license. Just so's ya knows

RawTheory · Post by **RawTheory** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:01 pm

captain caveman wrote: You can split items and hold Alt while timestretching the end of one and the beginning of another at the same time. Look at the split points like warp markers you can edit, but not automatically quantise like this.

Holy crap. What I was missing was the fact that I have to hover the mouse between the two items with a split till i see the double sided arrow and then hold alt and drag. I was clicking within the item and it would just drag the full waveform. Just goes to show ya what you mis when you don't fully RTFM....

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