Hey, this reminds me of that time that a girl I liked a lot rejected me and then I realized that I was better off because she was a total bitch anyway and that without make-up she looked, like, horrible. And she had caries in one of her molar teeth.djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
Why don't more developers create AUs as well as VSTs?
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- angelboy
- 4586 posts since 21 Aug, 2001 from Larnaca, Cyprus
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- KVRist
- 251 posts since 24 May, 2009
Ooh goody, a host war! All we need now is "science vs religion"...djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
If I'm thinking of the same girl you are.... she also had herpes.TristezaOrange wrote:Hey, this reminds me of that time that a girl I liked a lot rejected me and then I realized that I was better off because she was a total bitch anyway and that without make-up she looked, like, horrible. And she had caries in one of her molar teeth.djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
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- KVRAF
- 7795 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
When did I mention a host?deraudrl wrote:Ooh goody, a host war! All we need now is "science vs religion"...djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
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- KVRAF
- 6596 posts since 21 Jun, 2004 from Secret Underground Hideout
mine is the host of hostsderaudrl wrote:Ooh goody, a host war! All we need now is "science vs religion"...
"Most people who experiment with drugs are not lying in the streets, suffocating on their own vomit. If you want to see some of that, go to the Pub on Saturday night at closing time." ozwest
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- KVRist
- 144 posts since 3 Oct, 2006 from South Cack
androidlove wrote:mine is the host of hostsderaudrl wrote:Ooh goody, a host war! All we need now is "science vs religion"...
I am clearly a thread killer
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- KVRian
- 1184 posts since 13 May, 2004 from SF Bay Area, California
He probably thought your reference to Cakewalk was a reference to a host (but it could just be a reference to the software company in general...)djanthonyw wrote:When did I mention a host?deraudrl wrote:Ooh goody, a host war! All we need now is "science vs religion"...djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
even better reason have Kore2 -)
deraudrl wrote:If AU is the only format your setup can handle, that's pretty much a given, isn't it?topaz wrote:...(all the best are AU anyhow)...
- Suspended
- 17889 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Even if they could produce for other platforms, most of us who use those applications as development platforms would not see nay value in being ripped off by Apple just to test them for Mac users. After all, most of us would have to buy a Mac that was more expensive than our own PCs, just to help out a bunch of people who are too stupid to use a PC effectively. There's no upside whatsoever, because such morons are likely to treble your support load through their ineptness.Xenakios wrote:That's very likely also. And Synthedit and SynthMaker can only produce Windows-compatible VST plugins.
Sure, but it's really nice not to have your choices limited so severely, isn't it? I only use a very small number of instruments and effects but absolutely none of them would be available to me on MacOS.topaz wrote:having tons of plugins available is not so great, it's better to have fewer great plugins (all the best are AU anyhow) than a ton of crap ones.
Very true, but I fail to see the relevance of such a statement to this thread. e.g. Can you show me an AU synth with a superior filter to Wasp? Don't bother looking, no such thing exists. That's all it takes, one thing you cannot afford to be without, and the whole argument comes crashing down.djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par.
If you seriously believe that, why are you speaking about quality? Sylenth 1 is a one-trick pony compared to the incredible depth of z3ta+. Although I've not tried them back-to-back, so I cannot say which is worse, neither has a great filter. Or maybe I've just been spoiled by working in a host brimming with great filters? Either way, working on Mac would be abandoning quality for me and settling for second or third best, at best. You choose your software, then you choose your OS. Doing it the other way around is what leads to this kind of whining.For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta
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- KVRAF
- 6323 posts since 30 Dec, 2004 from London uk
Well, as a Mac owner you sure do have fewer options. I wonder how u guys have got along without 64 bit audio apps and plugs? Its coming along on the PC. For a Computer that claims to be on the cutting edge, thats a bit lame isnt it?djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
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- KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
BONES wrote:Even if they could produce for other platforms, most of us who use those applications as development platforms would not see nay value in being ripped off by Apple just to test them for Mac users. After all, most of us would have to buy a Mac that was more expensive than our own PCs, just to help out a bunch of people who are too stupid to use a PC effectively. There's no upside whatsoever, because such morons are likely to treble your support load through their ineptness.Xenakios wrote:That's very likely also. And Synthedit and SynthMaker can only produce Windows-compatible VST plugins.Sure, but it's really nice not to have your choices limited so severely, isn't it? I only use a very small number of instruments and effects but absolutely none of them would be available to me on MacOS.topaz wrote:having tons of plugins available is not so great, it's better to have fewer great plugins (all the best are AU anyhow) than a ton of crap ones.Very true, but I fail to see the relevance of such a statement to this thread. e.g. Can you show me an AU synth with a superior filter to Wasp? Don't bother looking, no such thing exists. That's all it takes, one thing you cannot afford to be without, and the whole argument comes crashing down.djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par.If you seriously believe that, why are you speaking about quality? Sylenth 1 is a one-trick pony compared to the incredible depth of z3ta+. Although I've not tried them back-to-back, so I cannot say which is worse, neither has a great filter. Or maybe I've just been spoiled by working in a host brimming with great filters? Either way, working on Mac would be abandoning quality for me and settling for second or third best, at best. You choose your software, then you choose your OS. Doing it the other way around is what leads to this kind of whining.For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta
THis Post Is Classic Bones! YES!
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- KVRist
- 293 posts since 2 Aug, 2002 from Odense - Denmark
Just use THIS http://www.kvraudio.com/get/4187.html and you have all vst's as AU. (Well all mac vst's that is)
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- KVRAF
- 2608 posts since 4 Sep, 2006 from 127.0.0.1
It doesn't matter how it sounds..
..as long as it has BASS and it's LOUD!
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..as long as it has BASS and it's LOUD!
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- KVRian
- 710 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Amsterdam
Limited selection for limited people on a limited platform. Why give them more? They wouldn't be able to handle it. If they really want something to play with they can do it with their wimpPhone 
- KVRAF
- 3944 posts since 7 May, 2004 from behind his workbench
+1TristezaOrange wrote:Hey, this reminds me of that time that a girl I liked a lot rejected me and then I realized that I was better off because she was a total bitch anyway and that without make-up she looked, like, horrible. And she had caries in one of her molar teeth.djanthonyw wrote:To elaborate on Topaz' post, it's definitely better to have a fewer amount of options that are very good than a lot more options that are sub par. For the longest time I wanted z3ta on Mac, but then I realized that Sylenth is actually better than z3ta and Cakewalk sucks.
