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xerxes[no] wrote:I just talked to Thomas, the guy who did the mastering, and he gave me the chain with links. Very kind of him :)

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His music site is here: http://twlmusic.no

Cheers,
Klaus

Now, I don't want to steal your thunder or anything, but wow! »Drømmefanger« (or »Dreamcatcher« in english) is just awesome!

Also, I really like the bandcamp site. It's so smooth, elegant and advertising free compared to MySpace and other music presentation sites!

Ok, back to Zebra-land! :-)

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Ben Locke, yeah - i adore that song myself.. funny, i was actually just listening to it when i read your post :)


Cheers!

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Thank you very much for the mastering chain info! I can't use those plugins (both too expensive and not VST) but nice to know nonetheless.

Pardon my lack of experience, but what makes music made with 'trackers' unique and how could one tell it was made doing so?

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Hey a fellow Renoiser! :D Great track there, impressive work! You really make use of the features, you can hear. I only use Renoise as a simple sequencer, haven't really dug into it deep enough. Love the automation tools tough, you can modulate any knob on any synth, it's like every stupid little VST becomes a huge programmable modular system when you think of the automation and routing possibilities.

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GMusic wrote:Thank you very much for the mastering chain info! I can't use those plugins (both too expensive and not VST) but nice to know nonetheless.

Pardon my lack of experience, but what makes music made with 'trackers' unique and how could one tell it was made doing so?
Oi, very difficult question.. how do one hear that it is tracked? Well, I think if you have spent some time listening to tracked music, there are certain things that would give it away. For instance, the main lead in the tune I did - without knowing exactly why - it sounds tracked. The tool itself lends it self to doing things differently than in regular DAWs - once again without knowing why. Personally I always use the tools that will allow me to do whatever needed in the best manner - and almost without exception that turns out to be Renoise. I do not like Renoise for mixing though - so for some sequencing and mixing, Logic is perfect. Oh, and if you want to record stuff, Renoise also really sucks. Renoise shines for programming and sequencing - either a VSTi or sample kits. If you have not tried it, I strongly suggest you find someone who knows it so they can show you around. It is A LOT of fun, trust me, and so easy it sometimes feels like cheating ;)


Cheers!
Klaus

PS! I dont have any stocks in Renoise - I just really like the program hehe.

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GMusic wrote:Thank you very much for the mastering chain info! I can't use those plugins (both too expensive and not VST) but nice to know nonetheless.

Pardon my lack of experience, but what makes music made with 'trackers' unique and how could one tell it was made doing so?
Hi,

You really don't need those plugins to get a good mastering chain.
Search kvr plug-in database and you will find really good and free vst's.

More importantly is how you aproach mastering.
Use your ears and compare the sonic overall quality with other mixes you like.
That will get you far towards a master you will be satisfied with.

:-)

Thomas Wicklund-Larsen

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Ben Locke wrote:
xerxes[no] wrote:I just talked to Thomas, the guy who did the mastering, and he gave me the chain with links. Very kind of him :)

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His music site is here: http://twlmusic.no (http://twlmusic.no)

Cheers,
Klaus

Now, I don't want to steal your thunder or anything, but wow! »Drømmefanger« (or »Dreamcatcher« in english) is just awesome!

Also, I really like the bandcamp site. It's so smooth, elegant and advertising free compared to MySpace and other music presentation sites!

Ok, back to Zebra-land! :-)
Thank you very much :-)


:-)

Thomas Wicklund-Larsen

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GMusic wrote:Thank you very much for the mastering chain info! I can't use those plugins (both too expensive and not VST) but nice to know nonetheless.

Pardon my lack of experience, but what makes music made with 'trackers' unique and how could one tell it was made doing so?
Some suggestions from my "go to box of tools" :

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http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3991.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3822.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3716.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3700.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3680.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3556.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3429.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3250.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2751.html
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3700.html

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Off topic, but here's my take on mastering:

http://tarekith.com/assets/mastering.html


On topic, here's my new album which features quite a bit of Zebra2:

http://www.addictech.com/store/product_ ... s_id=38571

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GMusic wrote:Thank you very much for the mastering chain info! I can't use those plugins (both too expensive and not VST) but nice to know nonetheless.

Pardon my lack of experience, but what makes music made with 'trackers' unique and how could one tell it was made doing so?
It isn't so much the host, but the compositional style, although lots of sample manipulation using the realtime track effects can certainly help give it away. Most folks who grew up musically through the tracker era (hard to say exactly when that is... 1988-1998 might be considered "golden era") and embraced that community developed a somewhat different approach to melody and sample manipulation in general. Most of it was very different from the contemporary popular music of the time. While the pop world was awash with diva/divo ballads, alternative rock and hip hop in the early to mid 90's, in retrospect what the tracker community was doing was decidedly more retro, although maybe a bit futuristic at the same time. Since most of the music was being done by youngsters on computers for the fun of it, there was boundless experimentation going on combining all kinds of musical styles together. Due to computer and track count limitations the compositions were primarily instrumental and pretty sparse resulting in a somewhat raw and exposed sound which definitely affected how the music was written. Melodies and basslines were typically very bold and confident (because there was nowhere to hide :) ) and often jazzy/classically inspired. To create the illusion of chords, we often sampled lots of single sample chord variations from synths and to make the melody tracks more interesting we used volume tricks to create fake echos and portamento for expressiveness. We were doing sample slicing long before ReCycle was created. What was especially cool though is that the community prized creativity above all else and pushing the envelope, not necessarily about milking cliches or particular styles, although it kind of went that way later on. For the most part, anything goes because most folks weren't into it for the purpose of making money. I definitely miss those formative days. A more innocent time perhaps.

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I remember faking delay in Impulse Tracker by putting the same sample on different tracks, every track some ticks later and at a lower volume. I must have been 16yo or something, in a dos environment.

For synth sounds, i used a warezed copy of Cooledit to make sine/wave/saw samples, and made chords out of those.

We have it so good now, with all these VST's and what not :D

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Polybius wrote:I remember faking delay in Impulse Tracker by putting the same sample on different tracks, every track some ticks later and at a lower volume. I must have been 16yo or something, in a dos environment.

For synth sounds, i used a warezed copy of Cooledit to make sine/wave/saw samples, and made chords out of those.

We have it so good now, with all these VST's and what not :D
Actually, I sometimes still do that.. with a bit of offset on the delayed notes, you can create quite unique delays that "calculated" delays cannot do. This is the beauty of using a tracker; you can do the most amazing stuff with just a little bit of track programming :)

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Wow .. new to Zebra and it has quickly replaced all my cheapy/freeware synths and even taken a big dent out of several sample libraries I had been using before getting Zebra. What a versatile piece of gear. Here are a couple of tracks in the drifty ambient genre.

Quiet's Cave - 3 instances of Zebra, some ArtsAcoustic reverb and light compression on the master bus.

Giving Thanks - 2 instances of Zebra with some compression and light treatment on the master bus.

Great synth Urs. I tried out ACE and Bazille but my wimpy ol' 'puter just doesn't have the horsepower to keep up :) Maybe someday ..

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