Hello all. I am seriously considering picking up a Rev C Receptor with Komplete 5 installed. I've read about 40 pages of posts in this forum, and found a lot of negative comments, and not so many positive ones. Can a user or two please chime in with comments about whether my expectations are realistic or not?
1. In a snapshot bank, I'd like to have one instance of Akoustic Piano, three instances of Elektrik Piano, one instance of B4II, and one instance of Kontakt with one preset loaded. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to play one patch at a time (i.e., play piano, or Rhodes, or Wurli, etc.) without audio interruption, at a reasonably low latency setting?
2. In another snapshot bank, I'd like to have the same things setup, but have a few splits programmed such that I can play B4 with my RH and Black Bass (Kontakt) with my LH, or piano with my RH and Black Bass with my LH, etc. Will I be able to do this without audio interruption, at a reasonably low latency setting?
Thank you, and Happy Holidays,
Paul
Pre-Purchase "Expectations Setting" Request
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- KVRist
- 40 posts since 5 Jul, 2008
I do almost exactly what you are saying here. I have a Rev C
I have the following patches all loaded.
1) VB3
2) Elektric Piano - Rhodes
3) Elektric Piano - Clavinet
4) Akoustic Piano
5) Kontakt - Fretless Bass
6) Kontakt - Upright Bass
7) Kontakt - Drums
8 ) Guitar Rig to add effects to my real Rhodes via input
I have two keyboards, the first handles channels 1-4 and the second 5-7. I use an M-Audio Axiom to control which channels to turn on and off. I'm happy with my setup. I use it about every other day. And every other week bring it over to play with some band mates.
Works solidly for the past 2 years barring a couple exceptions:
1) Once my event log got filled up and it wouldn't boot anymore
2) My LCD is blank upon boot up about 10% of the time, and have to reboot. I haven't called about this yet, just need to find the time.
I have the following patches all loaded.
1) VB3
2) Elektric Piano - Rhodes
3) Elektric Piano - Clavinet
4) Akoustic Piano
5) Kontakt - Fretless Bass
6) Kontakt - Upright Bass
7) Kontakt - Drums
8 ) Guitar Rig to add effects to my real Rhodes via input
I have two keyboards, the first handles channels 1-4 and the second 5-7. I use an M-Audio Axiom to control which channels to turn on and off. I'm happy with my setup. I use it about every other day. And every other week bring it over to play with some band mates.
Works solidly for the past 2 years barring a couple exceptions:
1) Once my event log got filled up and it wouldn't boot anymore
2) My LCD is blank upon boot up about 10% of the time, and have to reboot. I haven't called about this yet, just need to find the time.
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- KVRist
- 93 posts since 10 Feb, 2009
I can't speak to that particular model, but that's easy on my pro2max (just to at least give you a reply!).
I don't know that NI Scarbee basses will run on Receptor, though - some have suggested a no go on that? Maybe you have the pre-NI versions.
I don't know that NI Scarbee basses will run on Receptor, though - some have suggested a no go on that? Maybe you have the pre-NI versions.
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Kevin@MuseResearch Kevin@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=200693
- MUSEician
- 188 posts since 11 Feb, 2009
I think the trick is to make sure you have a version that is not copy protected. (As in, they just give you samples and .nki files to load in Kontakt). The impression I get from customers is that these versions work great on Receptor, because all you have to do is copy the files over to Receptor, then you can load them in Kontakt on your Receptor!
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi Again, Paul,
So - to address your concerns about number of instruments running simultaneously:
I have often used multi's (on a Receptor (1, Rev C) Pro) for performance. The best results come from considering:
1.) the amount of Ram loaded on your machine (you should always max this out)
2.) the types of plugs configured in your multi
3.) the number of plugs actually being played simultaneously (eg. layers)
I try to balance using sample playback vs. CPU intensive plugs (such as Virtual Analog emulations). I also try to balance RAM based sample playback plugs vs. Disk Streaming sample playback plugs. RAM based are typically the lightest strain on Receptor's CPU, but may keep RAM away from other plugs that might need it. CPU intensive plugs (by name!!) can steal cpu from other CPU plugs or from Disk Streaming sample playback plugs.
I have setup multi's on my Receptor 1 with this kind of balance:
Ch1: Synthogy Ivory
Ch2: Luxonix Ravity
Ch3: USB Charlie
Ch4: USB Ultra Focus / GForce imposcar (Split)
Ch5: GForce minimonsta
Ch6: Kick Ass Brass | Rob Papen predator (Layer)
Ch7: Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
All VSTi's have some ambient CPU usage when they are not being played, so that needs to be considered to when creating a multi.
For me, having the multi above (and being used with multiple midi keyboard controllers) gave me enough flexibility onstage without having to change presets on Receptor often (just use this one multi over large portions of a set).
Hope this helps, Regards,
Kevin L
So - to address your concerns about number of instruments running simultaneously:
I have often used multi's (on a Receptor (1, Rev C) Pro) for performance. The best results come from considering:
1.) the amount of Ram loaded on your machine (you should always max this out)
2.) the types of plugs configured in your multi
3.) the number of plugs actually being played simultaneously (eg. layers)
I try to balance using sample playback vs. CPU intensive plugs (such as Virtual Analog emulations). I also try to balance RAM based sample playback plugs vs. Disk Streaming sample playback plugs. RAM based are typically the lightest strain on Receptor's CPU, but may keep RAM away from other plugs that might need it. CPU intensive plugs (by name!!) can steal cpu from other CPU plugs or from Disk Streaming sample playback plugs.
I have setup multi's on my Receptor 1 with this kind of balance:
Ch1: Synthogy Ivory
Ch2: Luxonix Ravity
Ch3: USB Charlie
Ch4: USB Ultra Focus / GForce imposcar (Split)
Ch5: GForce minimonsta
Ch6: Kick Ass Brass | Rob Papen predator (Layer)
Ch7: Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
All VSTi's have some ambient CPU usage when they are not being played, so that needs to be considered to when creating a multi.
For me, having the multi above (and being used with multiple midi keyboard controllers) gave me enough flexibility onstage without having to change presets on Receptor often (just use this one multi over large portions of a set).
Hope this helps, Regards,
Kevin L
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 22 Apr, 2004
Thank you, Kevin, and all, for the help and advice. I believe my suggested usage was probably a little sample-intensive, based upon the feedback. I think I'd be better served using Truepianos rather than Akoustik, and possibly Mr. Ray or Lounge Lizard rather than multiple instances of Elektrik.
The bottom line is that I'll have to spend some time optimizing my snapshot banks on the Receptor to get it to do what I need. This will be used live, so it needs to be rock-stable.
Again, my sincere thanks to all.
Regards,
Paul
The bottom line is that I'll have to spend some time optimizing my snapshot banks on the Receptor to get it to do what I need. This will be used live, so it needs to be rock-stable.
Again, my sincere thanks to all.
Regards,
Paul
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi Paul,
You may wish to check out PianoTeq 3.x as well. The Pianos are pretty good (certainly passable, and quite editable for eq, reverb, ....) - but their EPianos, Vibes, etc. are killer.
Regards,
Kevin L
You may wish to check out PianoTeq 3.x as well. The Pianos are pretty good (certainly passable, and quite editable for eq, reverb, ....) - but their EPianos, Vibes, etc. are killer.
Regards,
Kevin L
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 22 Apr, 2004
Thanks for the suggestion Kevin. I wish I'd be able to, but it appears that Pianoteq 3 only runs on OS 1.8, and the Rev C box I might buy can't run 1.8 (yet).
I'll check out the demo at home on the PC tonight.
I'll check out the demo at home on the PC tonight.
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- KVRist
- 411 posts since 25 Apr, 2007 from Northern CA
I have Pianoteq 3.0.5 working on my Receptor 1 (Rev C - OS 1.7). I did use the 1.8 installer from Plugorama in order to get the specially compiled .dll for the Receptor, but it was fairly simple after that. The installation will not work (because of folder paths), but provides the Pianoteq 3.0.5 .dll in the Pianoteq3 folder in the "Modartt" folder.peker wrote:it appears that Pianoteq 3 only runs on OS 1.8, and the Rev C box I might buy can't run 1.8 (yet)
I copied this .dll to the "Unsupported Plugins" folder, and then used the unsupported method to install. Next, I refreshed the plug-ins and a dialog came up asking which .dll I want to use (the failed 1.8 installation does leave a folder you cannot delete). I chose my unsupported .dll path, and now I have Pianoteq 3 running on my Receptor 1. My guess is that all you really need is the specially compiled .dll and the Pianoteq folder in "My Documents".
With the reverb on it uses about 50-60% cpu when I was playing rather furiously (1.8 ghz single core AMD Turion on my Receptor)...turning reverb off saves about 15% cpu. My Receptor 1 works fine with Pianoteq 3, it's the custom software installers that are the problem. This proves to me that an installer could be provided for older Receptors in regards to Pianoteq 3. So why hasn't Muse provided this installer for it's Receptor 1 customers?
If you need more specific information than this, please PM me.
Disclaimer: You should make sure you have a back-up image of your drive before attempting anything like this, or at least have the general knowledge of how to undo what you did.
JR