A few Q's and propositions to WISH LIST

[synthyboy]

I like Mu lab, so please without a "girl style" ceremonies, ok ?
My Q's about MUCH comfortable usability and functionality only

1. NOTE - left click mouse = draw note, right = delete note or CHOICE (S.T.A.N.A.R.D. instruments as in others similar midi - trackers)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 73/?page=0

2. TARGET - what is mean this choice of !!! three position ??? What for ???
Sorry, really can't understand

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 72/?page=0

3. LINE - when I'm trying to draw line much longer I've got not empty line for next work, and a line with !!! notes from back side. WHY ??? What for ??? Why not just empty line ?

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 69/?page=0

4. TRACK + RACK, when I turn off a track indicator is turn off on the track, but still turn on at the rack, this is not too serios, but anyway
ALSO, If add new track why not automatically adds a new rack ??? or when delete a track why not deletes a same rack ???

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 71/?page=0

5. Mixer
- 1. pic - what is the blue pyramid ??? really can't understand this function.
- 2. pic - PAN, really strange, a simple fader is better
- 3. pic - good place for "turn on / of knob " plugins
- 4. pic - volume level fader, how about add scale 0-127 ?

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 70/?page=0

[pljones]

I like Mu lab, so please without a "girl style" ceremonies, ok ?
My Q's about MUCH comfortable usability and functionality only

1. NOTE - left click mouse = draw note, right = delete note or CHOICE (S.T.A.N.A.R.D. instruments as in others similar midi - trackers)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 73/?page=0

In MULAB3 things have changed.

2. TARGET - what is mean this choice of !!! three position ??? What for ???
Sorry, really can't understand

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 72/?page=0

They are separate targets for the sequence that you can select, depending what you want your sequence to control. The top one is the rack itself (i.e. the name you've given to the rack, plus the word "itself" to identify it as meaning the rack as a whole). Then follow the rack entries (here, "sfz+(1)", your first instance of sfz+). Finally you have the mixer strip - i.e. the pan position and fader controls as a specific entry.

3. LINE - when I'm trying to draw line much longer I've got not empty line for next work, and a line with !!! notes from back side. WHY ??? What for ??? Why not just empty line ?

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 69/?page=0

You've created a sequence with start and end loop marks and then made a part that's longer than the sequence -- so it loops to fill the part.

4. TRACK + RACK, when I turn off a track indicator is turn off on the track, but still turn on at the rack, this is not too serios, but anyway
ALSO, If add new track why not automatically adds a new rack ??? or when delete a track why not deletes a same rack ???

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 71/?page=0

Tracks and racks are entirely independent objects. Many tracks could target the same rack. So why would you want to keep adding racks every time you add a track, if you're going to reuse an existing one? For example, load up SFZ+ with a GM soundfont. You could target it with sixteen tracks and play sixteen separate sounds, all through the one rack. If you deleted one of those tracks, you wouldn't want the other fifteen to be broken.

5. Mixer
- 1. pic - what is the blue pyramid ??? really can't understand this function.

It's your "pre/post fader" indicator. The fader effects what comes before the marker.

- 2. pic - PAN, really strange, a simple fader is better

This is not mono. The control also adjusts stereo width as well as position. You can visualise both in the one control. It's quite clever.

- 3. pic - good place for "turn on / of knob " plugins

How is MULAB meant to know what you're trying to do when you click this circle?

- 4. pic - volume level fader, how about add scale 0-127 ?

What are 0-127 when you're talking about decibels? The slider is not a MIDI control.

Most of the above is documented in the MULAB manual.

[synthyboy]

In MULAB3 things have changed.

really ? great !

They are separate targets for the sequence that you can select, depending what you want your sequence to control. The top one is the rack itself (i.e. the name you've given to the rack, plus the word "itself" to identify it as meaning the rack as a whole). Then follow the rack entries (here, "sfz+(1)", your first instance of sfz+). Finally you have the mixer strip - i.e. the pan position and fader controls as a specific entry.

very nice, but too dificult, but may be I'm wrong and people really need this functions

You've created a sequence with start and end loop marks and then made a part that's longer than the sequence -- so it loops to fill the part.

But, if I don't wish this "loops to fill the parts" What's next ??? Open again piano roll list and find and delete these notes ???

Tracks and racks are entirely independent objects.

Yes, it's understood

Many tracks could target the same rack.

WHY ???
One track > One rack =ok

So why would you want to keep adding racks every time you add a track, if you're going to reuse an existing one? For example, load up SFZ+ with a GM soundfont. You could target it with sixteen tracks and play sixteen separate sounds, all through the one rack. If you deleted one of those tracks, you wouldn't want the other fifteen to be broken.

may be are they will be broken, but without MESS

This is not mono. The control also adjusts stereo width as well as position. You can visualise both in the one control. It's quite clever.

Yes, it's original, but if this is really mixer, I thought this is pan fader and trying to use it like standard pan function, for example add -10 L, when I want use stereo width I can simply to add stereo width plugin

What are 0-127 when you're talking about decibels? The slider is not a MIDI control.

It possible my complex for using before hard instruments, but it seems this is at first a midi tracker. ok, if not 0-127, how about a percents ???

Most of the above is documented in the MULAB manual.

Thank you, but reading manuals is not friend of INSPIRATION Why people love FL and psevdo-professionals don't love it. SIMPLY IS NOT PRIMITIVE

[MuTools]

1. NOTE - left click mouse = draw note, right = delete note or CHOICE (S.T.A.N.A.R.D. instruments as in others similar midi - trackers)

Check out MU.LAB 3 once it's released. It has very good mouse tool behaviour.

We hope to release MU.LAB 3 in about 1 month.

2. TARGET - what is mean this choice of !!! three position ??? What for ???
Sorry, really can't understand

A "Target" is the short term for "Target Plugin".

Sometimes a plugin contains different sub-plugins.

E.g. A Rack can contain 6 plugins and it also contains a mixer strip.

Now that menu allows you to target the rack itself, or target any of it's contained plugins.

3. LINE - when I'm trying to draw line much longer I've got not empty line for next work, and a line with !!! notes from back side. WHY ??? What for ??? Why not just empty line ?

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 69/?page=0

I don't understand, sorry.

4. TRACK + RACK, when I turn off a track indicator is turn off on the track, but still turn on at the rack, this is not too serios, but anyway
ALSO, If add new track why not automatically adds a new rack ??? or when delete a track why not deletes a same rack ???

A track and a rack are 2 independent objects.

Multiple tracks can target the same rack, or sub plugins in that rack.

5. Mixer
- 1. pic - what is the blue pyramid ??? really can't understand this function.

http://www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/racks.html

- 3. pic - good place for "turn on / of knob " plugins

[Alt]+click switches a plug on/off.

- 4. pic - volume level fader, how about add scale 0-127 ?

In MU.LAB 3 you get a display level when hovering or tweaking the volume fader

Hope this helps.

[sorohanro]

2. TARGET - what is mean this choice of !!! three position ??? What for ???
Sorry, really can't understand

That's the very reason people chose Mu.Lab, it's modular. You can route everything to everything, MIDI and audio.
This is one of the most useful functions. You can make automations for every effect in the rack separately. You can control the instrument on a line which is not linked to the rack itself.
This is most useful when you work on limited resources and you can use a track line to play several instruments and control/ automate several effects.

4. TRACK + RACK, when I turn off a track indicator is turn off on the track, but still turn on at the rack, this is not too serios, but anyway
ALSO, If add new track why not automatically adds a new rack ??? or when delete a track why not deletes a same rack ???

Well, this is also useful. You can have several takes of the same instrument (MIDI or audio) and you turn on just one by one to choose the best take.

5. Mixer
- 1. pic - what is the blue pyramid ??? really can't understand this function.
- 2. pic - PAN, really strange, a simple fader is better
- 3. pic - good place for "turn on / of knob " plugins
- 4. pic - volume level fader, how about add scale 0-127 ?

blue pyramid - effects before or after fader (pre and post button on)
pan - at first was strange also for me, but after a while I got it. This give you a visual feedback on "where" is your track in the mix.
fader scale - yep, I would like a scale on this slider on a "whatever" system, just to know where I am (from 1 to 100% ?).

[synthyboy]

Check out MU.LAB 3 once it's released. It has very good mouse tool behaviour.

We hope to release MU.LAB 3 in about 1 month.

great ! really we all waiting for Mu 3 !

LINE - when I'm trying to draw line much longer I've got not empty line for next work, and a line with !!! notes from back side. WHY ??? What for ??? Why not just empty line ?

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... 69/?page=0

I don't understand, sorry.

ok, for example, I did at first a Drum pattern - 4 bars, bass pattern 4 bars (standard work procedure) for hear how this loop is sounds, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I don't know no one dude who makes ALL composition 8 or 16 steps from start,
Next, I know (and I knew it from start !) that 4 bars for making ALL composition is not enough and I trying to do what ? Yes, to make line much longer around 8 bars or 16 and trying to draw it on the sequencer line and see with draw notes from loop, but I don't need them. I don't think it's so serios, but a little strange. Yes I can open piano roll and draw new notes there.

[Alt]+click switches a plug on/off.

ok, will to know, but small knob is much better as like on any real mixer

In MU.LAB 3 you get a display level when hovering or tweaking the volume fader

Great, I just have been shocked, you did a big difficult work with the racks and their billion variation of communication and forget to add a simple display level

[MuTools]

ok, for example, I did at first a Drum pattern - 4 bars, bass pattern 4 bars (standard work procedure) for hear how this loop is sounds, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I don't know no one dude who makes ALL composition 8 or 16 steps from start,
Next, I know (and I knew it from start !) that 4 bars for making ALL composition is not enough and I trying to do what ? Yes, to make line much longer around 8 bars or 16 and trying to draw it on the sequencer line and see with draw notes from loop, but I don't need them. I don't think it's so serios, but a little strange. Yes I can open piano roll and draw new notes there.

If a sequence is looped, then you can simply extend the sequence part to the right and the sequence loop will play longer.

How to loop a sequence:

In the sequence editor, right-click the time bar -> "Set Loop Start" and "Set Loop End", or drag the loop locators around.

By default, when drawing a new sequence part, the sequence is looped over the part length, as you drawed it.

[synthyboy]

Jo, one more proposition, check the pic

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/synthyboy/ ... ncrnd=8231

Look, for example now I'm in drums piano roll window and going to do next step, for example a bass line, Yes I must to close the drums window and to do double click to bass track for target into the bass piano roll for editing. How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll. It seems same function was released in "Tuna fish". As on my opinion very interesting prog for simplest and very similar as you working on the real Roland groove box. Sorry that project hasn't continue.
P.S. I want to add your mixer under piano roll is really great thing too and this is one of the Mu lab functions I liked from start

[MuTools]

How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll.

But which part on the Bass track?

[synthyboy]

How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll.

But which part on the Bass track?

Yes , I understand what you mean, you have a pattern based sequencer, but logically on the PARALLEL of same drums part of track, for example, if you now finished to work in "3 drums sequence" you going to same "3 bass sequence". Anyway if you wish to jump into other part of track you can do your standard procedure with "close" function ...

[liquidsound]

How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll.

But which part on the Bass track?

Yes , I understand what you mean, you have a pattern based sequencer, but logically on the PARALLEL of same drums part of track, for example, if you now finished to work in "3 drums sequence" you going to same "3 bass sequence". Anyway if you wish to jump into other part of track you can do your standard procedure with "close" function ...

This could be solved with an Editor Modular Floating window or an extra divider in order to observe the composition window. I think is in the Wish List.

Yes MuLab is UnUsual but this is what is turning MuLab in the only Hope for alternative thinking away from the MAD race Clones on Steroids.

I understand your frustrations and I am sharing similar experiences but once you learn the "Mu-Way" (TM?:hihi: ) you will be grateful you did.

Me too I have tons to learn. But you are doing the right thing: ASK!

[pljones]

Just to echo Liquid: MULAB isn't a clone of anything. It's not trying to be a hardware mixer, so don't try to think it is. It's not trying to be a tracker like FL, so don't think it is. It's not trying to be an overpowering workspace with every tool and then some jumping out at you like so many other DAWs -- just the essentials on show, all the power you need at your finger tips. But, like learning to write, or play guitar, or any other manual skill, it takes a little time to learn. Don't expect it to be exactly like something else.

Oh, and I mention the manual as it can be overlooked: I agree, you don't want to interrupt your work to read it. But as part of your preparations, you might want to read it through. Or in an odd moment when wondering "Could I do X?" you might read up and find something else that is inspiring!

[sunhome]

helpful thread, thanks

[pljones]

How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll.

But which part on the Bass track?

Yes , I understand what you mean, you have a pattern based sequencer, but logically on the PARALLEL of same drums part of track, for example, if you now finished to work in "3 drums sequence" you going to same "3 bass sequence". Anyway if you wish to jump into other part of track you can do your standard procedure with "close" function ...

What happens if there are sixteen parts targeting the mixer rack you selected? Which of those sixteen PARALLEL parts to the drum track..?

Though I do like the idea! If there was an easy way of doing this that made sense in keeping with how MULAB works, it would be a good feature for speeding up editing. Some kind of a "switch to" function to go to another sequence at the same point on the overall time-line would be good. ... :ponder:

[liquidsound]

How about if to make this way is much easy,
When you into the Drums piano roll just PUSH on the Bass mixer rack and you'll target quickly to Bass piano roll.

But which part on the Bass track?

Yes , I understand what you mean, you have a pattern based sequencer, but logically on the PARALLEL of same drums part of track, for example, if you now finished to work in "3 drums sequence" you going to same "3 bass sequence". Anyway if you wish to jump into other part of track you can do your standard procedure with "close" function ...

What happens if there are sixteen parts targeting the mixer rack you selected? Which of those sixteen PARALLEL parts to the drum track..?

Though I do like the idea! If there was an easy way of doing this that made sense in keeping with how MULAB works, it would be a good feature for speeding up editing. Some kind of a "switch to" function to go to another sequence at the same point on the overall time-line would be good. ... :ponder:

When you said "Time Line".... you made me think...

How about using a "Locator" (the cursor could be a problem if we do not want to change the Cue position which could be elsewhere) as a "zone marker" to tell MuLab to show the Part that falls in the "Locator" position on the time line? (This "locator" is only visible in the key editor)

In other words we are editing a part on bar 8, 10 ,18 anywhere.....

Before we switch to another Rack/Plug-in/Part/whatever... we just add a "Locator" anywhere on the time-line (in the editor) and when we do switch MuLab shows only the Part (relevant to the choice we make on switching ) that has the "Loator" position whiting itself.

Of course once the Editor is closed the "Locator" must go also otherwise we get stuck in a circle which is no longer necessary once we close the editor because it imply that we are done with Edit/Switching = Back to business as usual

If the "Locator" is for example on Bar 7 and we switch via Rack > MUX
etc. then only the MUX part on the Bar 7 is presented in the Editor.

This is a simplification of a concept which would need further inputs...

It could be a great feature (and a major one together with overlapping Parts in transparency) that is more appropriate to MuLab because of the unique "Part/Plug-In target" rather then just the common ( ) Rack Targeting system.