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spaceman wrote:
TristezaOrange wrote:I was just taking a dump and reading CM and I came upon this paragraph:

"We recommend viral Flash game hit Canabalt as a perfect example of this (composing with a limited palette), as it manages to be both cinematic and minimal in the same breath"... etc.

If you visit tigsource.com, you're going to see how enormous the selection of absolutely class Flash games is. But hey, you say it's shit. I'm uninstalling it as we speak.

BTW does Unity run on those iThings? Probably not, but if I can play Off-Road Velociraptor Safari I may get an iPad. Just for that.

[edited because while what I wrote was not offensive to spaceman, he could take it that way, so removed]
The real point is that Flash is NOT a good web solution at all. It's processing and resource heavy and it's a bitch to develop and maintain. It's had its use and it will disappear soon enough. Adobe hasn't done anything to make it better and there's technologies arising that will make it redundant. HTML 5 being the most likely candidate.
Is that the real point? Because with you going on about how crappy Flash games are you had me fooled. :hihi:

But anyway: Flash is a technology available today and, like it or not, it is a huge part of the current web experience. Omitting it from something that claims to offer the ultimate web experience is like not putting sugar in a cake because it's fattening and causes caries. Yeah, it's not without its drawbacks - but it tastes good. Unless the cook sucks. OK, no more cake metaphors. :lol:

When HTML5 is a really viable alternative that's widely supported/utilised/whatever, sure, bring it on. But until then, why consider a half-baked tablet that has no Flash support because Adobe had a spat with Apple / Apple wants to support Quicktime only (with really, really sucks) / the iThing can't really handle it? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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spaceman wrote:
headquest wrote: I don't think you answered the question. If a website has flash animations on it - and let's face it, plenty do - how will this display on an iPad??

Flash animation?
What would the web be without it? :roll:

Every sane person on the planet uses Flashblock plugins to block that pile of shite, but all of a sudden it becomes the corner stone of a great web experience. Get real for f**k's sake
One of my friends runs an online sheet music store. On the homepage he has a picture of a piano which fades into a violin, then a trumpet, etc. It looks nice, professional, and as it hooks customers who play of different instruments into the site it's also informative and useful. It's neither fancy nor anooying though... but it is done in Flash.

Call me insane for liking something which is visually appealing and useful in that way... but am I right to assume that your (non) answer means that - NO - his website (and millions more like it) won't load correctly on an iPad...?

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TristezaOrange wrote: But anyway: Flash is a technology available today and, like it or not, it is a huge part of the current web experience.
Is it? Can't remember the last time I saw anything Flash do anything useful on any site I've visited. Are you thinking about youporn maybe?
Omitting it from something that claims to offer the ultimate web experience is like not putting sugar in a cake because it's fattening and causes caries. Yeah, it's not without its drawbacks - but it tastes good. Unless the cook sucks. OK, no more cake metaphors. :lol:
To most people (hence the widely used Flash blockers) it's a kilo of salt that gets rammed down your throat and blocking your arteries.
When HTML5 is a really viable alternative that's widely supported/utilised/whatever, sure, bring it on. But until then, why consider a half-baked tablet that has no Flash support because Adobe had a spat with Apple / Apple wants to support Quicktime only (with really, really sucks) / the iThing can't really handle it? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't think Quicktime is part of the discussion. It only plays audio or video. Flash represents the internet in the 90s. Flashy at the time, but technology is moving on. Anything remotely functional on the web since then has been build using AJAX, not Flash. Flash is videos, stupid animations and advertising.
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headquest wrote: Call me insane for liking something which is visually appealing and useful in that way... but am I right to assume that your (non) answer means that - NO - his website (and millions more like it) won't load correctly on an iPad...?
Millions? You should go in politics.
You have a knack for statistics. Your government could use someone like you.
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spaceman wrote:
TristezaOrange wrote: But anyway: Flash is a technology available today and, like it or not, it is a huge part of the current web experience.
Is it? Can't remember the last time I saw anything Flash do anything useful on any site I've visited. Are you thinking about youporn maybe?
It's like I didn't post anything in this thread prior to the post you quoted. OK, here is is again: games. Lots of them. That millions play.

To you it might be a kilo of salt. To millions of people, it's essential to their web experience right now. Even if that means Farmville.

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TristezaOrange wrote:To millions of people, it's essential to their web experience right now. Even if that means Farmville.
If there ever was an argument against Flash..
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Dave Bourke wrote:Well, doesn't Adobe own Flash lock, stock and barrel? How is this good for the WWW?
Yeah, unless Adobe are sitting there making sure they 'approve' every Flash application you can download, how on earth is it going to be properly 'open'?

BTW Flash isnt an open standard, but there are open source implementations, for IDEs, for compilers, even interpreters etc.
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spaceman wrote:
TristezaOrange wrote:To millions of people, it's essential to their web experience right now. Even if that means Farmville.
If there ever was an argument against Flash..

:lol:

Agreed. Touche.

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So can we conclude that the iPad is not suitable for people who play Farmville?
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spaceman wrote:So can we conclude that the iPad is not suitable for people who play Farmville?
We can agree that people that play Farmville and people that buy iPads are the scum of the universe. :lol: :lol:

Here's a great excerpt from the Engadget comments about the lack of Flash on the iPad:

Can people stop with the "Only geeks want Flash" rubbish?

ONLY geeks don't want Flash! Your little sister has no clue HOW she plays Farmville...your mother doesn't know how Youtube works or if the video she's getting is provided via HTML5. The "non" geek people you're all saying will be the biggest target of this are the very people who will be confused when it doesn't do what they want it to do because GEEKS are the only one who can see the limitations. Those "regular" people can't. They will wonder why they can't get their Twitter updates in the background like they do now, they will wonder why they don't have their IM app running on the corner while they do something else...teenage girls everywhere will wonder why daddy bought her a present she can't cam whore on. The "REGULAR" folk are the ones who will be most baffled.

They won't care that HTML5 is limited but has potential, they'll want to watch Hulu NOW. They won't care that Steve doesn't want their system to slow down when they check their Apple stock, they want to play crappy Flash games on Facebook TODAY.

This device fails for these reasons. The Geeks know why they don't want it and regular people will soon find out.



I like the "cam whore part". Hilarious! :lol:

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spaceman wrote:
headquest wrote: Call me insane for liking something which is visually appealing and useful in that way... but am I right to assume that your (non) answer means that - NO - his website (and millions more like it) won't load correctly on an iPad...?
Millions? You should go in politics.
You have a knack for statistics. Your government could use someone like you.
Yes, with my grasp of proportion and willingness to shamelessly exagerate, perhaps I could even get a job with the Apple marketing department... :hihi:

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headquest wrote:Yes, with my grasp of proportion and willingness to shamelessly exagerate, perhaps I could even get a job with the Apple marketing department... :hihi:
throw in some stuff about 'I tried 10000000000000 flash games and they're all crap' and 'noone needs Java evar' and 'bestest marketshare for a mobile entertainment device company' and you're there.
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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whyterabbyt wrote:
headquest wrote:Yes, with my grasp of proportion and willingness to shamelessly exagerate, perhaps I could even get a job with the Apple marketing department... :hihi:
throw in some stuff about 'I tried 10000000000000 flash games and they're all crap' and 'noone needs Java evar' and 'bestest marketshare for a mobile entertainment device company' and you're there.
Also "nobody needs Blu-Ray".

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whyterabbyt wrote:
headquest wrote:Yes, with my grasp of proportion and willingness to shamelessly exagerate, perhaps I could even get a job with the Apple marketing department... :hihi:
throw in some stuff about 'I tried 10000000000000 flash games and they're all crap' and 'noone needs Java evar' and 'bestest marketshare for a mobile entertainment device company' and you're there.
We're getting somewhere now.

So to sum up:

-no one needs Flash
-Flash is crap
-non-geeks need Flash
-Java is rubbish
-some people need Java
-no Java means crap
-no Flash s crap as well
-some devices don't support Java and/or Flash which makes or does not make them crap
-some devices do support Java and/or Flash, but Java and Flash are shit so it's a useless feature
-Farmville is nice
-Farmville is shit
-my granny is on Facebook
-she doesn't know what Java is, apart from reminding her of coffee
-Apple is bad! Bad bad Apple marketing
-Microsoft is good, as they make crap that lets you play Farmville
-bananas are a good source of potassium

anything I left out?
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spaceman wrote: -no one needs Flash
-Flash is crap
-non-geeks need Flash
-Java is rubbish
-some people need Java
-no Java means crap
-no Flash s crap as well
-some devices don't support Java and/or Flash which makes or does not make them crap
-some devices do support Java and/or Flash, but Java and Flash are shit so it's a useless feature
-Farmville is nice
-Farmville is shit
-my granny is on Facebook
-she doesn't know what Java is, apart from reminding her of coffee
-Apple is bad! Bad bad Apple marketing
-Microsoft is good, as they make crap that lets you play Farmville
-bananas are a good source of potassium

anything I left out?
maybe some stuff about the number of choices of jam.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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